Moving on, we are talking about Capitalism and false profits! I say, Our Lady of Fatima, not in a religious sense but as figures to express sentiments and the passion to relay our belief. I say LOGOS!
I still am communist. You give me names and more names when the issue is simple. What are you fighting for? Are we here on a discussion or an argument? If I tell you that these capitalists speaks of strong ties with communists, will you have believed in me?
They talk of democracy and the US ties.
All politics! I say. You add printing press. Gold has no printing press. Communists being accused of printing money? Ah! Foolish child of mine. Gold is heavy.
You may need to see through reason. I followed Putin instead. He’s so lonely and my heart goes out to him.
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I think that’s not necessary. Why do they fear too much if they have a clear conviction.
Good afternoon Mr. Frawley! Excuse my change of change of nickname. I have lots of assumed names.
Was I strange? But you have a point. Funny but back in the middle ages when something gets realized its at fault.
Apart from a difficulty in discerning your points I am assuming that as it is clear in my own philosophy I reject Capitalism as a belief system, Credo or system of organising anything my position is it is old fashioned and was always very destructive ( still is ) . Perhaps you could assist with elaborating further or indeed at all on why you think it either shouldn’t clean up its act or widen its purvue?
Disagreement and discussion might be uncomfortable even scary especially after several decades of Incisive indoctrination and propaganda but just casting wild aspersions as to the character of other people engaged in discussion really won’t cut the mustard i’m afraid..
1. Where is the several decades of incisive reporting?
1. Why would the Internet bring out the Lowest Common denominator and how do you define that?
By the way that me you see in my avatar I retired from Business at the age of 39 years and now live in Sweden with my wonderful young Family my concerns on this subject and a range of others is founded in the wish that my Children grow up in a more Pluralistic world. The trend is the reverse of that presently and thats a great concern.My swedish Partner and I considered remaining in the United kingdom for our children to go to school there but ultimately voted with our feet I chose sweden and not Cuba as other reactionaries have suggested.
http://www.leftfootforward.org/2011/11/workers-are-children-and-if-you-dont-like-high-pay-move-to-cuba/
http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/leo_xiii/encyclicals/documents/hf_l-xiii_enc_15051891_rerum-novarum_en.htmlhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rerum_Novarum
Also I am happy you find Rerum Novarum interesting! We have discussed Rerum Novarum in full in 1991 as a model for economics and the winner was culture.Its a very interesting encyclical. also there was Centisimus anus. I’m so happy you find it fascinating.
I hope we can discuss it soon.
para 22.
“(16) To sum up, then, what has been said: Whoever has received from the divine bounty a large share of temporal blessings, whether they be external and material, or gifts of the mind, has received them for the purpose of using them for the perfecting of his own nature, and, at the same time, that he may employ them, as the steward of God’s providence, for the benefit of others. “He that hath a talent,” said St. Gregory the Great, “let him see that he hide it not; he that hath abundance, let him quicken himself to mercy and generosity; he that hath art and skill, let him do his best to share the use and the utility hereof with his neighbor.”(17)
Para 33.
To cite the wise words of St. Thomas Aquinas: “As the part and the whole are in a certain sense identical, so that which belongs to the whole in a sense belongs to the part.”(27) Among the many and grave duties of rulers who would do their best for the people, the first and chief is to act with strict justice – with that justice which is called distributive – toward each and every class alike.
at para 39 it seems to be saying trust in God and the state and everyone do as your told
and it will all be good. There is a sort of covenant implied as well as explicit which it seems is denied by modern free market ideology and also the hijacking of the state. On private property I find the arguments slightly tenuous and very much couched in an apologia for the status quo in a conservative sense Throwing the baby out with the Bath water is a sensible way to progress but
apologia are never easy readiing.
On private property I like this view,
The earth belongs in usufruct to the living.
Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826)
I have quoted this sentiment quite widely and it is fairly well known in ecological circles.
http://www.curtisnra.com.au/?p=99
Paragraph 42 is a really mixed bag perhaps its the mores of the time ?
I googled this search. Christ as one of and with the poor . and Got this lent Message from The present pope.
In the Gospel, Jesus explicitly admonishes the one who possesses and uses earthly riches only for self. In the face of the multitudes, who, lacking everything, suffer hunger, the words of Saint John acquire the tone of a ringing rebuke: “How does God’s love abide in anyone who has the world’s goods and sees a brother or sister in need and yet refuses to help?” (1 Jn 3,17).
I seem to recall this raising a few eyebrows in the corporate media at the time , more incisive reporting no doubt?
They do say follow the trail of money and Profit is the objective of Capitalism. Is the Right to issuing the worlds money rightly in the hands of Central Banks should it be more regionalised even localised. Should the Money Power be placed back in the hands of the people or their elected representatives through public trusts. What is a Stakeholder Economy who are the stakeholders in the international Giobal economy.
What is the Public Institute of Finance what is PositiveMoney.uk.org who the hell is Ben Bernake whats his real job?
Who is Fredrick Soddy who is Steve Keen,David Greiber, Michael Hudson, David Harvey , Nicolas Taleb. Emanuel Kant anyone?
What is MMT, What is FIAT money, What is Fractional reserve Banking, what really causes inflation and who benefits?
Was Adam Smith a plagerist, who was John Stewart Milne was Karl Marx a Philiosopher Economist? Was Milton Freidman mis represented by Thatcher and Reagan?
So who writes the Narrative and to what purpose, If it aint broke don’t fix it? So who says its not Broke. What was all the fuss about at Muscle Shoals.
History Repeats itself first as Farce and then as Tragedy ( Karl Marx) we are up to the tragedy bit again? less…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsEUs0xK5KY&feature=autoshare
http://letthemconfectsweeterlies.blogspot.com/2011/11/collective-creation-of-own-reality.html
Hawkeye November 23, 2011 at 12:42 pm #
Left and Right can unite.
There is common cause. This (slightly rambling) post nets out at about 3 clear policies which should unite the 99%:
http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/majority-americans-including-both-ows-and-tea-party-agree-most-important-issues-%E2%80%A6-we-jus
* Stop bailing out banks (we have too much Irresponsible LENDING, not just Irresponsible borrowing, so we must remove the Moral Hazard)
* Prosecute the Fraud (where is our Eliott Spitzer?)
3) Restore Democracy to the people (rather than subject to lobbying & special interest groups)
This chap is an interesting fellow.
“Beyond Horseshit Economics” or “The Fallacy of Single Level
http://letthemconfectsweeterlies.blogspot.com/2011/11/james-robertson-real-critical-thought.htmlhttp://nationaleconomy.net/a-money-timeline/
Hearts and Minds hold territories and no amount of manipulation of Minds will kill the true spirit in the human heart I can’t be bothered to find a suitable Ghandism to parphrase but he or Martin Luther King or any of the greats will provide ample writings and copious evidence that it was ever thus!
Have a read of John Ruskin, Ghandi was a fan.
http://letthemconfectsweeterlies.blogspot.com/2011/05/ruskins-critique-of-classical-political.html
episode four faith in numbers.
Connections – Episode 4 – “Faith in Numbers”
The organizations of systems, Burke says, in economics mechanics and electronics is examined with each interrelation to the Roman Empire, the monastery, the loom and tabulations to global communications. The rise of commercialism followed the Crusades; the plague Black Death, set the state for the invention of the printing press. How?
Shows how such inventions as the water mill, carillon, jacquard loom, and a global communications network were influenced by each other and by logic, genius, chance, and unforeseen events. Also deals with the inventions and events which gave rise to the printing press.
James Burke explains the relationship between hot air balloons and laughing gas, and goes on to surgery, hydraulic water gardens, hydraulic rams, tunneling through the Alps, the Orient Express, nitroglycerin, heart attacks & headaches, aspirin, carbolic acid, disinfectant, Mabach-Gottlieb Daimler-Mercedes, carburetors, and helicopters.
GPS satellite navigation
fall of Roman Empire
water power
mills, trip hammers, pumps
Midieval Industrial Revolution
Cistertian Monasteries
wool production
weaving loom
spinning wheel
cloth marketing
silk/international trade
investment capital agreements
plague
clothes boom
paper
printing
book boom
mechanical devices
jacquard loom
US immigration
census
punched card
computers
Veroushka no rebuttal required differences of opinion should be celebrated and explored not attacked as heretical.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_John_Paul_I
Moving on, we are talking about Capitalism and false profits! I say, Our Lady of Fatima, not in a religious sense but as figures to express sentiments and the passion to relay our belief. I say LOGOS!
I still am communist. You give me names and more names when the issue is simple. What are you fighting for? Are we here on a discussion or an argument? If I tll you that these capitalists speaks of strong ties with communists, will you have believed in me?
They talk of democracy and the US ties.
All politics! I say. You add printing press. Gold has no printing press. Communists being accused of printing money? Ah! Foolish child of mine. Gold is heavy.