Roger Lewis I tried to share this earlier, I had to go and get it off You Tube and link to it directly. Left or Right, Tony´s arguments against the EU are essentially to do with participation and subsidiarity and accountability of CIvil Servants and politicians to Citizens ( or Subjects if you are British,m Swedish, Dutch . There is another video which I suspect I would have no problem sharing as much as I liked, some chap stood up with Verhofsted at his side at the EU Parliament. I am more than happy to listen to all arguments from all sides of this question but lets get a metric for Democracy and Tony´s are the best I think I have seen.

Tony Benn once said this
“The House will forgive me for quoting five democratic questions that I have developed during my life. If one meets a powerful person–Rupert Murdoch, perhaps, or Joe Stalin or Hitler–one can ask five questions: what power do you have; where did you get it; in whose interests do you exercise it; to whom are you accountable; and, how can we get rid of you? Anyone who cannot answer the last of those questions does not live in a democratic system.”
Tony Benn Commons Hansard [16 Nov 1998: Column 685] Volume 319 Debate on: European Parliamentary Elections Bill , from 7.20 pm

So the gentleman in that other video mentions We can not tell people why Europe is ( insert superlative) This is a Blog I did about Geo-Political Real Politik.

Quiggleys words.p.232 tragedy and Hope.
´´but criticism should have been directed rather at the hypocrisy and lack
of realism in the ideals of the wartime propaganda and at the lack of honesty of the chief negotiators in carrying on the pretense that these ideals were still in effect while they violated them daily, and necessarily violated them. The settlements were clearly made by secret negotiations, by the Great Powers exclusively, and by power politics. They had to be. No settlements could ever have been made on any other bases. The failure of the chief negotiators (at least the Anglo-Americans) to admit this is regrettable, but behind their
reluctance to admit it is the even more regrettable fact that the lack of political experience and political education of the American and English electorates made it dangerous for the negotiators to admit the facts of life in international political relationships.”

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