Some Green Party Reflections. Was the Coronation a Good Idea? Will the Greens ditch the Cult of Personality around Caroline Lucas?

David Malone Green Party Parliamentary Candidate for Scarborough and Whitby

What next Green Party? Now the election is over…ish it is surely time to discuss what our priorities should be, how the party is perceived and which of our many concerns we should emphasise in public.

It is difficult to have these discussion because of the implied criticism that comes with suggesting we do something different. But I do have criticisms and do hope we consider doing some things differently.

Under New Labour the GP could and did claim to be a more authentic left wing alternative. But Mr Corbyn has re-occupied the left and we have been left looking a little like Corbyn’s mini-me.

I was disappointed that once again the GP, in its public statements, did not emphasise economics. It was left to Mr Corbyn to speak most forcefully about corporate tax evasion, austerity and the blight of above-the-law banking. It should have been us. If a party does not speak forcefully and centrally about economics, finance and the laws which surround them, then the impression is either they don’t realise how central these things are to governing a country, or they don’t really care because they are more of a pressure group than a real party. Either way it marks them out as a party to vote for in protest but not for governance. I believe this nation needs the GP to be more than party of protest. This nation needs the GP to be a party of governance.

In this election we campaigned most visibly on wanting another Brexit vote, on being pro-immigration/open borders, on wanting a ‘Progressive Alliance’ in order to help Labour defeat the Tories and calling for Proportional Representation. That’s how it came across to me at least.

I would like to suggest as a starting point for discussion that we begin to emphasise that WE UNDERSTAND that stoping environmental disaster costs money. That is why we are a party, the ONLY party, that thinks of the environment and the economy as two sides of the same coin. You cannot save one without reforming the other. AT the moment both are largely controlled by the forces of the Global free market. And THAT is why noting is being done for the environment. If we wish to avoid environmental disaster we MUST regain control over our economy. It MUAST be brought back under democratic control.

No party can deliver on its promises unless it regains control over the nation’s economy. We HAVE to be able to tax as we wish, control our curency as we wish, regulate and prosecute our banks and bring them back under the law, trade as we wish, and have the labour and environmental standards we wish.

All these things can be done and must be done. Some in concert with Europe, some we will have to press ahead with as an example to others.

It would be a radical party that set out clearly that this is what has to happen if any government wishes to be able to actually deliver on any of its election promises.

We have to say loudly and relentlessly that the Tories are not the party who understands economics. We have to say we are the party that understands the economy in the 21st century. We MUST be radically and vocally anti-globalisation.

I hope others will at least consider these ideas worthy of discussion.

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Roger Lewis https://www.theguardian.com/…/true-progressive-alliance…
This sort of School Marm knows best is highly damaging to the credibility of Greens, and the Green Party.

This reminds me of Two under-performing former Goal Scorers Disputing and claiming the Goal that drew the match when Clearly the Arsenal Centre Forward clearly stuck the ball in the back of the net.
A friend of mine Made this observation earlier.Politics, it’s funny old game.
Here’s a different take on what’s going on at the moment.
Football is our national game and lots of people are passionate about it.So I’ll use those terms I’ve seen a lot of people who are confused about people being up on a Labour loss.
Labour have not had a good showing in elections for years, so this election where it was very close,(3%, closer than Brexit) is akin to a 3rd division side getting promotion and getting to the cup final and putting a scare into say Chelsea or Man Utd. Not a win but a fantastic result.Everyone cheering on the team and the manager. what a great job.
On the other hand the Conservatives did very badly. Imagine being top of the league, in the cup, looking to have strong showing in Europe and then mid-season, the manager changes tactics, the team has a string of defeats, out of the cup, out of Europe and in danger of relegation, now reliant on other teams to stay up. If that was your team, as supporters, you would be furious, rightfully so and calling for the manager’s sacking and immediate replacement.
So, that being said, where are all the furious Tory voters baying for the sacking of the PM?

When Greens claim we are the only party who understands or stands up for the Planet, that is demonstrable nonsense and is the language of a Cult, not a political party. The Greens dropped its monetary reform Proposals from 2015 for what was a limp and wooly 2017 manifesto effort.
I think Caroline should resign as should Johnathan they have failed everywhere apart from in Caroline’s own constituency reinforcing the One Trick Pony broken record presentation that the Greens have returned two with the Coronation couple in Charge.

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Roger Lewis The Greens in 2015 had the single most important and Radical Policy ever presented to the British Electorate with the possible exception of the Nationalisation of the Bank of England in 1945.
Check out policy EC661 The Green Party believes that, as the means of exchanging goods and services, the stock of money is a vital common resource which should be managed in the public interest. Yet only 3% of our money supply currently exists in the form of notes and coins issued by the Government or the Bank of England. 97% of the money circulating in the economy takes the form of credit that is created electronically by private banks through the accounting processes they follow when they make loans. for an idea of the full extent of tax payer value of such a policy see.

http://www.positivemoney.org/issues/taxes/

The Tories Banged on about the Magic Money Tree the whole campaign an open goal which was not open to Lucas to exploit, 2017 manifesto dropped the policy, despite protests from Myself and David Malone.
I posted this in the daily mail earlier.
It is an annoying trite meme, many Politicians do believe it though, 9 out of 10 according to positive money.
What we all need to do is pay more attention to the Much talked about Magic Money Tree. Yes, it is imaginary and it is made up, it lives not at the bottom of the Garden with the Fairies but in the Silicon chips programmed as Merkle Trees. link one for beginners. https://medium.com/…/the-magic-money-tree-exists… A poem for Light relief.http://letthemconfectsweeterlies.blogspot.se/…/the… and the main event for the folk with lots of courage and a strong stomach.http://letthemconfectsweeterlies.blogspot.se/…/neo… Nearly there now Check out What the 1844 Bank Charter Act intended all along.http://positivemoney.org/how…/how-did-we-end-up-here/ And there you go, you now know more than 90% of MPS about the money creation process. Magic Money Trees, haha, now there’s a thing?

And Here,
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And Here
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The Green party has I think been manoeuvred into the Neo-Liberal Left GateKeeper position, Bartley and Lucas are effectively The Green Party´s Tony Blair. Time for a Change I say.
https://www.facebook.com/david.malone.greenparty/posts/1959801470906578

Roger Lewis http://londongreenleft.blogspot.se/…/after-general…

Daren Price Some have alluded to going to the centre ground. Personally I think this would be wrong as we would then be seen as an eco-liberal party as opposed to eco-socialist. I noticed during the election campaigns no one really touched on the benefit sanctions…See More

David Malone Green Party Parliamentary Candidate for Scarborough and WhitbyAgreed! Save us from the mire of the centre ground. The country does not need another centre ground, reformist party. Please let us not go that way.

Daren Price I joined the greens on the back of an interview Caroline Lucas made saying the greens are an anti capitalist party. I then read the manifesto online & joined the next day. I enjoy being in the greens but I would see moving to the centre as a regressive step. Another centre/neoliberalist party is the last thing we need!! If we can keep working on our national identity, as I feel people still see us as vegetarian tree huggers, then that would greatly help. We can only do this if we equally keep pressing social issues as well as environmental.

David Malone Green Party Parliamentary Candidate for Scarborough and Whitby Daren Price I agree but strongly feel that neither environment nor social make us an electable party of governance. People need to be convinced not that we have wonderful ideals, but that we know how to run a country. That we know how to run a modern economy. That we know how to control the forces that currently control us.

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Neil Macaskill The centre ground may be crowded but so is the left – plenty of telephone-box sized “socialist” parties out there.

Daren Price Neil Macaskill I agree but we’re one of the biggest and most progressive. If we keep packing punches in debates, eventually people will listen. We just have to be persistent and consistent in our approach. Moving to the centre would be a regressive step I feel.

David Malone Green Party Parliamentary Candidate for Scarborough and Whitby Neil Macaskill My point is that the political spectrum which really counts from now on and which we have to understand is no longer left and right it is global versus national. I’m not saying left v right is unimportant. Of course it is. But it is not what defines the modern world and certainly does;t give you a focus on the real nature of the powers ranged against us. There are globalists on the left as well as the right. And to me they are just as much of a problem. The Tories and Labour are stuck in left v right and the left certainly doesn’t get the global v national, I don’t think.

Roger Lewis “Neoliberal democracy. Instead of citizens, it produces consumers. Instead of communities, it produces shopping malls. The net result is an atomized society of disengaged individuals who feel demoralized and socially powerless.

In sum, neoliberalism is the immediate and foremost enemy of genuine participatory democracy, not just in the United States but across the planet, and will be for the foreseeable future.”

― Noam Chomsky

“This is the permanent tension that lies at the heart of a capitalist democracy and is exacerbated in times of crisis. In order to ensure the survival of the richest, it is democracy that has to be heavily regulated rather than capitalism.”
― Tariq Ali, The Obama Syndrome: Surrender at Home, War Abroad
tags: anti-democratic-thought, capitalism, democracy, deregulation, economics, financial-regulation, late-2000s-financial-crisis, late-2000s-recession, leftism, neoliberalism
“Technology is a means, not an end, no matter how brilliant it appears. How we use digital technology, exploit it and benefit from it depends on old-fashioned political concepts of how we treat each other: how we approach class, race, gender and war and peace. Nothing has changed in that regard. At present, we are ruled by an extreme version of capitalism called ‘neoliberalism’. Technology in the service of any extremism has a catastrophic history.”
― JohnPilger
tags: automation, class, neoliberal, neoliberalism, peace, race, technology, unemployment, war

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The polarisation in the population is a natural consequence of Neo-Liberalism, it promotes a divide and rule Paradigm both in domestic and foreign policy.

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Shyam Ghariial At the end of one of the Actuarial profession talks at the Staple Inn, one of the Resources and Environmental Committee speakers referenced a few books including one that I’m going through at the moment by John Weeks. As a member of the profession, I see the environment being mentioned as being a primary concern although, as an investment consultant, the financial- environmental link can frustratingly often be overlooked (I’m trying to come up with responsible investment guidelines for fixed income mandates at the moment, which is tough).

I don’t know how much the GP engages with financial professionals, but there are groups in our industry (and others – proponents of the steady state economy etc) who are attempting to sway opinion and move towards greener policies (although I feel it is not a primary concern in general due to short termism and fixation on £-returns). Perhaps engagement with (& backing from) those in the City who care about these issues, could provide the GP with a little more clout in the area of economics (I’m not trying to take anything away from those in the GP, particularly you David, who already provided excellent economic analysis and proposals)?

David Malone Green Party Parliamentary Candidate for Scarborough and WhitbyI think such engagement would be brilliant. I for one would make my self available to meet such people whenever and wherever they would like.

Jack Dunwell What do you mean by “democratic control” ?

David Malone Green Party Parliamentary Candidate for Scarborough and WhitbyWhat I mean by ‘democratic control’ is that major decisions about lets say money supply, be ones that are decided by the governemt rather than as it is now, by the private banks. I am not making any starry eyed claim that the government always decides well or that we have a fully functioning democracy. I am claiming that having some democratic control over those making the decisions is better than having non which is how it is as long as it is left to market forces.

Oliver Tooley You make some very good points there.
It is such a broad scope subject its hard to know where to begin.
Alas, so long as Mr Corbyn is at the helm of the Labour ship we are bound to be forced to take a back seat, and in many ways we might be better of…See More

Katherine Horner As a Green party member I think we should adopt a more pressure group position. Instead of this standing down and rolling over for Corbyn like our leadership is advocating. If we spent less time rolling over to the Corbyn gonna save the world fantasy then we might be able to focus on our policies and get them out there. I held my nose and voted for my piss poor labour mp because she only had a majority of 428. I hope now we can just get our policies out there.

Neil Macaskill Speaking as a Labour member I don’t think the Greens should be trying to outflank Labour on the left – it might have worked under Blair but not under Corbyn. There is a need for a strong green voice though in this age of climate change scepticism. The Tories have backslid now Cameron has gone and Labour are not pushing the environmental agenda as much as they should do. But a concern for the environment is not a matter of left or right – some of the earliest environmentalists were conservatives.

Neil Macaskill I suppose you’ll already know the founder of the first “green” party was an ex-Conservative, Tony Whittaker.

Katherine Horner of course your gonna say that your a labour supporter so your gonna say anything to keep people voting labour. So why should Green party members pay attention. Greens stood down for labour Corbyn still went after Lucas why should Green party members trust Corbyn or the labour party

Neil Macaskill Yep, that’s how to get people to vote for you.

Katherine Horner Cool well good luck with that in the next election.

Jack Dunwell As a socialist, I am worried that the Greens get organised and eat into the young vote meaning at the next election we are shooting one another in the foot. Now you’ve got rid of the Ozzie whoi surely must have been a plant?

Oliver Tooley If you are referring to Natalie Bennet, she did an awesome job.
We would not be shooting one another in the foot if Mr Corbyn would embrace democracy.
Indeed, with a truly democratic process, we could safely campaign for our corner without having to roll over in dozens of marginal seats to help Labour, and even then they couldn’t capitalise on it and WIN the election.

Jack Dunwell Sorry about Natalie, perhaps my hearing is oversensitive. Oliver the Greens are in charge of their own tactics surely?

David Morey I would like to see the Greens as not seeking power but being the most forward looking, long term and holistic thinking of the parties. By clear, honest, deep and good thinking the Greens can work to keep the other parties honest, by asking the difficult questions and exploring real, realistic and long term solutions. Influence rather than direct power.

Derek Chapman Absolutely, economics and environment must be linked.
Are linked, demonstrably so..
Though this must begin to come from economists , insurers and investors to gain mainstream consideration.

The elephant in this conversation is that longtermist green energy policies are unenforceable with the 5yearterm twoparty confrontational political system we have , and achievable short term gains on evolving tech are rare…Though becoming viable..( Dogger bank wind, Cardiff bay tidal, etc)

Should greens go ‘full lib dem’, and court power by alliegence with socialist labour, or are we a think tank for environmental policy evolution?

Tim Jackson, amongst others , argue that the solely GDP based view of economics is fundamentally flawed, and we must expand economic considerations to include the ‘cradle to grave’ C footprint and social costs too. Plus Bill Gates’ idea of a ‘robot tax’ , generating national revenue from corporate automation is one the greens should embrace.

I think our work is to cost everything in an environmental framework, using a ‘Muskite’ view of economics ( bold, brave and rooted in good science), then to sell it to mainstream economists. As previously mentioned moving economics from a purely GDP measure to a more (gulp?!) ‘holistic view is a paradigm shift that we can fight with labour and green libdems too..

Paul Warren I think our priorities should be :-
(1) develop a proposal for a post-Brexit platform, and start selling it (along the lines David advocates)
(2) press for direct democracy powers:
– right to initiate and veto laws
– right to sack electees and official employees
– proportional representation
– abolish House of Lords
– sortition seats in the Commons, for constituencies where No Vote wins
– People’s Prosecutor against corruption, incompetence, and Fear and Favour
(3) monitor Paris; develop Paris 2.0 hard cap and trade, with strict science-led UN quotas
(4) Universal Basic Income

Maggie Caudwell Deborah…wyat about “small is beautiful? ” where did that go? Nowt wrong with being a radical pressure group,as you say,it did UKIP any harm. Caroline is well known now and does very well. Please be positive.

Roger Lewis Carolines Domination of the GP is a very bad thing. Caroline is not scrutinised at all not even a little. The Election Campaign under Lucas/Bartley was as inept and presidential as There’s Mays. Some very strong critical thinking and criticism of the leadership is more than in order. Caroline needs to explain political donations Pre Brexit and also the donation ( refused apparently ) pre-Richmond By-Election. Caroline Lucas and Bartley are Left Neo-Liberals, they are not democrats and have proved as much with their condescending attitude to Brexit ( deplorables)

Alex Scarborough Rather than think about Left and Right, why not about think about wrong and right?
A lot of left wing politics doesn’t make sense, a lot of right wing politics doesn’t make sense.

Deborah Theaker Ive become more active on Twitter and there is a lot of talk across Labour forums generally from people upset that Labour are not being more anti-brexit. As a remoaner I feel no one is listening to our concerns. For me and many others, a party that sings loud and clear that Brexit needs stopping or at least a parliamentary vote once we can see what an utter disaster its going to be would win votes.
I also think, especially given todays awful news, that people are becoming more aware about private landlords and issues with that. It seems to me that there are huge problems with ‘social’ housing from fire regs to mould in homes. We need to get behind social housing, it needs to be fit for purpose and affordable. It would be a great policy to pursue and I think the public are ready to listen now.
I also think that the link you make regarding finance and environment is a good one. People are anti fracking and Im sure that more government investment in renewables would be good. Its just not the sexiest subject to discuss with people, I would suggest that the majority of the public dont have a clue about how finance at high levels works – I include myself in that. Ive always found your videos helpful on that.

Oliver Tooley I also voted remain, yet despite much talk of Bregrets, the truth is the country as a whole has not really shifted its view, and if you need evidence for that, look at how derisory Lib Dem gains were.

Deborah Theaker Im not sure we can look at Lib Dem votes in this election as a barometer of public opinion on Brexit. People were desperately voting Labour to oust the tories. Secondly Tim Farron is not well liked particularly since he was so reticent about the gay issue.

Roger Lewis On Brexit Deborah I posted this to a Freind ( Roy Madron Earlier) Roy is of the same mind as you. I am of an opposing view, I do not know who is right or wrong or in which Contexts.

http://www.independent.co.uk/…/firefighters-cry-as-10…

This is from Last year? There are two Brexits on the table Now, Jeremy Corbyn/ Labour Manifesto Brexit which is of the Social Democracy Sort or the Neo-Liberal Sort. The EU is decidedly Neo-Liberal Still, much of the Labour Manifesto would fall foul of EU competition laws.
The Key to Brexit and for ditching the neo-liberal Voodoo Economics is, of course, the `Magic Money Tree” neo-liberal thought is of course that the Magic Money Tree should be in private hands for private profit, essentially the ECB delivers this and institutionalises Mr Schaubels Austerity.

Any media from the Brexit campaign especially in the mainstream was deeply flawed. Low information propaganda, such as this from last year just reinforces the point. I have been doing some analöysis of all of the television debates, I am about half way through that exercise.Here is a word Cloud.
A Blog,
http://letthemconfectsweeterlies.blogspot.se/…/article…
A report
https://corporatewatch.org/…/false-dilemmas-critical…
And a Movie,
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May Aiello I must admit one of the points I disagree with Labour is not wanting a second brexit referendum. The referendum we had was completely biased by the media 🙁
I noticed how people are very easy to get brainwashed and are so entrapped in this machine where they are deprived of power they can’t even be bothered to try to change the system.
Yet I fail to understand how people consider the environment as something abstract and ignore its damage is killing us and we are killing it.
Frightening!

David Malone Green Party Parliamentary Candidate for Scarborough and Whitby

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A coalition for Brexit.

I believe the Green Party should call for a broad national coalition specifically for the Brexit negotiation. Not a coalition government, but a coalition negotiating team. Created for that purpose only.

I believe the negotiations should not be left to or monopolised by the Tories. Brexit effects us all. The Tories very clearly have no mandate whatsoever to speak for us all. I believe Caroline Lucas and Jonathan Bartley should publicly call for a coalition, broadly based, which would include Tory, Labour, Lib Dem UKIP, Green Plaid Cymru, SNP and DUP.

For those who will say, ‘But we are against Brexit”, I would say this. Corbyn very clearly campaigned on the issue saying he would make sure Brexit happened. The Lib Dems campaigned for the opposite. Labour attracted massive support. The Lib Dems and Greens did not. If people were set against Brexit they would not have voted in such numbers for Labour. People did not vote for nor want a UKIP Brexit. But they did vote for a Labour Brexit.

As the GP is fond of saying about Europe itself, even if you do not like the EU you need to be in the discussion to have any effect upon it. The same goes for Brexit. We need argue to be included in the negotiation for Brexit if we wish to have any say it the final deal. To continue to simply stand against Brexit and not try to engage in shaping the deal that will be done, is, I feel, to ignore the result of not only the referendum but the election as well.

Marcus van Dam I’m German and was pained to see UK leaving the EU, but once emotions have calmed I can see and accept that being in the EU was probably like stuck in an unhappy relationship for many Brits, and more than that, trying to reverse Brexit and somehow not make it happen in the end will a) not resolve that and b) leave lasting ill feeling. However, I draw a clear line between leaving the EU and leaving the single market or comparable free trade arrangement, and despise the hardline vitriolic stance by May, and therefore wholeheartedly support this proposal – which as you say is founded on the acceptance that Brexit is going to happen: the question is how.

Kavy Keptson I voted Brexit but then regretted it. I was in Italy last year and they kept saying Brexit and I felt sad as I wanted to be European. Well, I am European, but you know what I mean. My district voted to remain so my vote made no difference. My favourite…See More

Paul Warren I don’t just feel British or EU or European. I’m a citizen of the world, and I want EU-like freedoms for everyone.

David Malone Green Party Parliamentary Candidate for Scarborough and WhitbyWhile I don’t feel at all a citizen of the world. I feel British.

Paul Warren That’s not to say I don’t feel British etc …

David Malone Green Party Parliamentary Candidate for Scarborough and Whitby Paul Warren For me it’s a question of culture. You see I think culture matters. And I feel it is so very often left unspoken about in most of our discussions about economics, free trade, globalisation and immigration. Culture is tricky to talk about.Everyone is so afraid of racists (with good reason) that I sometimes feel they are unwilling to even admit that cultures do exist and do matter to people. I do not like globalism not just because as an economic goal I think it is deeply destructive and does not deliver what its proponents claim it does, but that it also ignores or even seeks to erase culture as a thing of great human value. Anyway, just my thoughts….

Paul Warren I’d agree with all that

Kavy Keptson I wrote about this recently on Mike Norman’s Economics. It was hard to write about as I’m a liberal. I don’t consider myself a racist, and my best friend is indian. But I do like British culture and way of life. I was in North Wales last year and it was splendid. I sampled great British beer from some nice pubs. My mum came from South Wales and I was surprised that the North Welsh had almost an English accent. Anyway, I love Britain the way it is, a bit multicultural, no racism, just nice. When I look around the world and and see how harsh other cultures can be, it’s not nice. I’m from London, Croydon.

Could the liberals, and I’m one of them, be so scared of being thought of as racist, that they could blow it and allow our culture to go? I’m not into globalization either.

Kavy Keptson Al Bartlett, a physicist, talks about population growth. And also the exponential use of fossil fuels. It’s quite scary.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sI1C9DyIi_8

Graham Lewis Can’t argue with your logic David, excellent idea…..I’m sharing your post.

David Malone Green Party Parliamentary Candidate for Scarborough and WhitbyCame from a conversation I had with a friend of mine, Roger Lewis. 38 degrees also has the same idea. The important thing for me is that I would like to see our leadership change their obsession from opposing to participating.

Roger Lewis I think its necessary David. I go a little further I think a full cross-party coalition Government is needed for the period of the Brexit Negotiations I have summarised the main points as I see them here. http://letthemconfectsweeterlies.blogspot.se/…/a-grand…

A Grand Cross Party “Grand Coalition Brexit Parliament”

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Neil Harland Hi, Like it. Please go to https://you.38degrees.org.uk/…/cross-party-unity-brexit… have a look, if you agree sign it, and share. Thanks.

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Roger Lewis Hi Neil this one has nearly 40,000 sigs already, I sent a link to david yesterday moirning I think it was I signed your as well. Cheers

https://you.38degrees.org.uk/…/brexit-negotiations…

Neil Harland Hi Roger, thanks for pointing that out. Glad to know I am not alone. I’ve signed that petition as well. It has to be the most grown up way forward while the childish politicians fight over who is ‘king of the hill’.

David Malone Green Party Parliamentary Candidate for Scarborough and WhitbySigned

Paul Warren Brexit is all very well, but it’s looking backward. We need a convention to look forward to creating a new open international culture and trade association. Let’s invite a few countries from the Commonwealth countries, the G20, and the EU.
I feel borders should be open, with a passport, but working rights should be a little more guarded. Trade should be subject to realistic recognition of human rights, workers’ rights, and environmental protections.

Alex Scarborough I am sick and tired of the European Union telling us what we should do. We had a democratic vote, which against all the odds, was to leave the EU.
What worries me most is the EU army. Everyone said it wouldn’t happen, clegg said it was a “Dangerous fantasy” when he was trying to ridicule the Leave voters. It is now a “Dangerous Reality”. As some of the countries in the EU have National Service, the EU will make sure all the countries will provide soldiers for their army using a conscription service. In short, Tommy goes to school in Scarborough, leaves school and does three years in the EU army. That should go down well with all the people who still think the EU is a good idea.
You may ridicule this thought but consider this: clegg ridiculed the EU army and it is now in operation.

Roger Lewis Alex, You are absolutely Right. Here in Sweden, they have re-introduced National Service. I was appalled by this with the NATO and EU rhetoric and continued efforts to Drag the historically neutral Sweden into these Globalist Bankers Wars.

May Aiello Yes!

Emma Telford Speaking for myself, I voted Labour despite their position on Brexit, not because of it, and I know many who did that including my 18 year old daughter. The 18-25 demographic who apparently came out in droves to vote Labour are attracted by Jeremy Corbyn’s approach to politics but are nevertheless still overwhelmingly opposed to Brexit. There was also a massive amount of tactical voting on the part of Green and Lib Dem supporters. I would still favour any deal being put to the people in a referendum when the result of negotiations is known, and that should include the option of staying in the EU

Shahrar Ali Green Party

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An insightful and at bottom helpful analysis of Greens role in future. I think he’s put his finger on the importance of radicalism, though I think that’s a path worth pursuing out of necessity even if people aren’t deemed ready for it.

Mike Shaughnessy says,

http://londongreenleft.blogspot.co.uk/…/after-general-elect…

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http://www.positivemoney.org/issues/taxes/

And Here,
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Roger Lewis https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RE8JpEHxI-Q

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Allison FreeSpirit Willcocks We need Proportional Representation so that everyone can vote for who they want instead of voting tactically just to get rid of the tories. Thats the only reason the Green vote fell everywhere except a safe Green seat.