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Doubtful the tories have the imagination to see what is in front of their face though.
Glassman’s Rocket Scientists Journal remains the best Condensed explanation of what the Science3 really tells us as opposed to the Spin Doctors and Politicians.
My Own Reader on this can be found at this link.
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Why do you only see potential downsides to CO2? I never see you talking about the upsides.
It is estimated that every doubling of co2 increases temperature by 2.5 -3 degrees with all the happy plants that would bring. Photosynthesis stops at about 105 degrees from memory.
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On renewables I get probably most frustrated of all as Monetary Measures of Value are completely illogical, who uses a variable to measure anything and Money is, of course, a variable.
All in all, Jim, if one is a Technologist, A Scientist, or someone who values common sense and Truth the Climate Debate is a pretty shabby neighbourhood to find one’s self.
I do always recommend science of DOOM for people who want to read up seriously on the subject and then to make up their own minds. I am myself Sceptical of the AGW CO2 Hypothesis and much more inclined to Svesmarks work but in my own view, this is not a field where anything is settled.
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Even if CO2 is causing Warming, it is a massive leap to suggest that it is essentially detrimental to mankind. And if that leap is made, it is another great leap to believe that we can control it. And if we could convince ourselves that we can control it, it is another great leap to actually achieve it.
I am also a fan of renewables, but am also a realist. Use of fossil fuels will continue to increase for the forseeable future.
I actually believe that the alarmism and political pointscoring around AGW, destroys sensible debate and effective problem solved solutions. Alarmism is probably the best way of promoting AGW, as it destroys the credibility of those doing the alarming.
I imagine it is very hard to worry about a 0.5C theoretical increase of temperature when you don’t even know where the next meal is coming from.
The FIxation on CO2 is I think a distraction and pushed by the Money Elites as a debt bas…See More
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Your tin hat is glowing red hot….
A golden Rule in folklores Canon
holds what’s sauce for the goose is sauce for the Gander
do unto others that which to you would be done
thus applied in discussion, we should always avoid slander.
Leave at the first introduction
the habits of Authority and induction
When those listening seem deaf to what you tell
refrain if you please from poisoning the well
if your working hypothesis requires certitude
refrain from tailoring cloth that renders the emperor nude
If to your point, you wish others to allude
refrain from a hypocritical sneering attitude.
When your correspondent appeals to evidence
consider their sources, were they well meant?
In all matters, skepticism will serve you with equivalence
and always remember to mistrust the Government.
“man müsse das Volk stets in Armuth erhalten, damit es gehorsam bleibe.”(2)
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Nasa is a huge Government Agency it has a lot of Departments many of whom see different questions differently.
I often use NASA Published Data Myself, what we are talking about is Alarmist interpretations of Data stretched beyond its own Boundaries of error.
You are a Fanatic Glyn, and Alarmist positions are of course fanatical by definition. Where evidence is clear and irrefutable there is no call for histrionics.
I particularly Like this old Quote from Jeremy Bentham’s anonymous pen on the Self Evidentiary Nature of the Rights to Liberty claimed in the USA Declaration of Independence.
They are about “to assume,” as they tell us, “among the powers of the earth, that equal and separate ( 120 ) station to which” — they have lately discovered — “the laws of Nature, and of Nature’s God entitle them.” What difference these acute legislators suppose between the laws of Nature and of Nature’s God, is more than I can take upon me to determine, or even to guess. If to what they now demand they were entitled by any law of God, they had only to produce that law, and all controversy was at an end. Instead of this, what do they produce? What they call sell-evident truths. “All men,” they tell us, “are created equal.” This rarity is a new discovery; now, for the first time, we learn, that a child, at the moment of his birth, has the same quantity of natural power as the parent, the same quantity of political power as the magistrate.
You have only to produce the Evidence Glyn, that you do not is I think because you can not, it does not in fact exist and this is a Work in progress.
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On Monetary Reform I do try to Kerb my enthusiasm as I recognise the dangers of Becoming convinced and the Confirmation Bias that inevitably follows.
some very valuable NASA-Funded Research, Some of the Best Data there is on Climate and particularly the Global Temperature Record.
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This sort of speculation is very interesting but what most Statistical Modellers end up doing is believing their model represents the thing in itself. In this Study, they not only take their model to be the thing in itself but go further in Reducing the thing in itself to the Temperature record of the last 100 years. What is striking about this sort of Pseudo-Scientific alarmism is how desperately amateurish it is.
The Weather System is complicated, The Climate System is whole orders of magnitude more so especially when one pretends one can extrapolate to a whole earth model and make sensible predictions.
I build computer models for sounds particularly of Guitar Timbres and have for many years marvelled at the inability of those who have note been fully inducted into my own Nerdy world, to get their head around the limitations of Probabilistic Modelling. The Maths is actually quite simple once the necessary logic switch is located in ones brain, until then though it is actually hugely confusing. I remember the first early lectures I attended on Fluid Dynamics and back then as a Younger man I had not cottoned on to the Abstract nature of the pursuit of mathamaticaL Description. The worse offenders on these sorts of questions are not in fact in my experience Climate alarmists but actually, a certain breed of Economics half-wit usually touting a newly minted MBA fro some Ivy League Business school or another. To them, I always recommend this lecture from John Mirrlees the Nobel prize winning economist.
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