Six Ways to Sunday, Trump and the Deep State. Schumer´s prediction.

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Roger Lewis Craig I get that you do not Like Pres. Trump Craig, Neither do I very much either. What is missed in much of this hype against Pres Trump is that the Deep State , controlled Obama and has Controlled every US president since Carter. ( The CIA only got going properly in the 50´s so it took 20 plus years to subvert the US republic. The Final Job was done by Bush The Second, and after 9/11 the US constitution was shredded more or less with the Patriot ACT etc, Of Course Clinton had trashed the Corporate Oversight brought in by Roosevelts New Dealers before Bush delivered the Coup de Grace.
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Craig Crofton I’m aware there are other players behind the scenes but I’m only focusing in on one part of Trumps persona here
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Craig Crofton And I will continue to
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Roger Lewis Craig, unfortunately, The Presidency is compromised in the US system now regardless of which flavor of the Two Party pantomime has supposed control.
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Craig Crofton Okay Roger Lewis. I respect your knowledge and opinion but it’s my fb page so I’ll post up what I want 😘
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Roger Lewis Craig, Post away, I am not saying that you should not post anything people should post what they please , what is really important is that we all chat about these things and feel comfortable making our own observations asking what things mean and what is denoted, It may seem obvious to us when we post something but none of us are mind readers.
I really enjoy seeing your posts and when I make comments it is just showing interest , i would not dream of censuring or sensoring anything or anyone.

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Roger Lewis https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Px0rxcU7XQ This video tells you all you really need to know why on this Trump business we all need to be really careful what we wish for. Watch Oliver Stones Ukraine in Flames also for some context.

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Craig Crofton And I particularly think it’s a genius idea how you can send an image onto someone’s building without breaking the law to get a message across. I think those are the two reasons I put this post up Roger Lewis. Maybe you didn’t get that?
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Roger Lewis Hi Craig, I think the crisis in US democracy is now so acute that my sense of humour has quit the building. I see very little to laugh about. Are you saying This post and all the other you have been making are Gallows Humour and just a bit of light relief ?
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Craig Crofton Roger Lewis this one for sure. But again it’s my fb page so if you don’t like what I’m posting unfollow me mae
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Roger Lewis Craig as I just posted about , Asking questions is not a sign of complaint, not in my own world anyway. Discussion is a great gift of free speech and democracy. political correctness really is an enemy of both free speech and democracy.
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Craig Crofton Roger Lewis indeed. But my take from your response to my post is that I shouldn’t be posting anything negative about trump and that I should be dogging deeper and whilst I agree that Trump is a puppet ( with the puppet masters lurking in dark corners) this post in particular was more light hearted. Did you read or even look at it ?
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Roger Lewis Yes, Craig, I did look at it I have posted a comment on the independent as well, the first one, cut5 and pastes from my comments here.
I raised the question as I have also looked at and read many of your other Trump posts which are in the same vein. I 
do wonder how many people see the posts funny or not in the context of the US constitution and the present danger to US democracy ( always a shaky concept and now perhaps an extinct one ( nothing to do with trump.
Trump is a very easy target for comedy, and a lot of it is very funny, the wider context of the attack against the democratic process in the US ( yes I know he did not win the popular vote, but the electoral college is actually a very sound idea at the heart of its reasoning).
If Trump is impeached, Is Mike Pence any better?, that is the choice, Pence in many respects is much worse than Mr Trump.
In 2020WHo will the Democrats Field, It will not be Bernie, I think we can be sure, will the US conjure up an Emmanuel Macron ( The day democracy died in the French republic ).

As I have explained I was not complaining about your post I merely raised the point that we should all be careful what we wished for, what next is a very interesting and important question, It is one that applies equally well to the Brexit question and the calls for Brexit to be stopped. Then what?

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Craig Crofton Yes I’m very concerned about what is lurking behind the corner. Again this post wasn’t poking fun at trump. I found it genius that a visual artist was able to get their point across by a sort of “graffiti” street art style by putting a temporary image up on a building. That was why I shared this. It could’ve been a message posted on a building about anything and I would’ve enjoyed the whit behind it
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Craig Crofton So you swamping me with other posts about the deep state isn’t applicable/ appropriate in my opinion. And as it’s my page not yours I think I have a right to say that
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Roger Lewis Yes, Craig of course you do, I thought we were having a discussion and when posts appear in ones time line I thought the idea was to engage and comment when moved to do so.
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Roger Lewis From 2013 one of my favourite Blogs ever.
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at 21 secs, Hi Chuck, he used to love me when I was a democrat.

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http://letthemconfectsweeterlies.blogspot.se/2016/11/the-giant-sucking-sound-sharp-intake-of.html

If we fast Forward to the 2016 Presidential Debate and the Al Smith Memorial Dinner. What we see is a GOP candidate who does not represent the GOP Establishment and Democratic Party candidate who does represent both the GOP and Democratic Party Establishment both having become Federalist, in the old sense of the original two party contextualising of what the Republic was to be.
There are two striking factoids about the Al Smith Memorial Dinner and those are that 1948 and 1992 are the only two years in its 67-year history that the respective candidates for president did not address the dinner those years are 1948 and 1992.
In 1948 A Democratic Candidate Truman was on the ticket that had been installed by the establishment against the popular choice Henry A Wallace had lost out to Truman for Vice president in 1944 and in 1948 ran as an independent.



The 1992 Election had the third candidate Ross Perot and also Bill Clinton came from out of the blue to secure the Democratic Nomination and topple the incumbent George Herbert Walker Bush for the presidency.



The other notable year is 1960 when Kennedy beat Nixon. Kennedy’s address to the Dinner in 1960 is instructive in its reference to the 1928 Election when Smith Lost to the Republicans



http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?pid=74114

We need to wake up the young men who are born old, cowering in their ruts, afraid of the unknown worlds that lie beyond the map. We need to cut through the shibboleths of contentment and reassurance, and recognize, in John Boyle O’Reilly’s words, that:
The world is large when its weary leagues two loving hears divide;
But the world is small when your enemy is loose on the other side.”
Al Smith himself warned: “In the height and glory of every nation, men are prone to forget their responsibilities.
We dare no longer forget our responsibilities – to our nation and its heritage, to all the free word, to all the generations yet unborn. We dare no longer neglect the fact, as Charles Malik has put it, that “Communism cannot be met by a mere nay; it requires a mighty yea.” We dare no longer ignore the fact that the world is changing – our cities, our maps, our frontiers and even our adversaries – all are changing. And in this era of change and challenge, we need the hard, tough leadership and the frank, fresh call of Alfred Emanuel Smith.
For legend has it that after the bloody battle of Thermopylae, the victor Xerxes prepared to spread a purple cloak over the body of his vanquished enemy Leonidas, out of admiration for his valor. But as he was about to lower the cloak, a strange voice out of nowhere called out: “No. Take that cloak from me. I will accept no favor from the Persians.” And Xerxes knew that it was Leonidas, speaking to him from the other world. And he called out into space: “But thou art dead, Leonidas. Why hate the Persians even in death?” And, according to the legend, back came the stirring reply: “The passion for freedom dieth not.”
Al Smith’s passion for freedom did not die with him. It is ours to nurture today. May we all be true to that great legacy.”

Nixons Response.To Kennedy.

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?pid=25404

And, so, on this particular occasion, when we honor a man who was a great political leader, but a man also who had a great religious faith, America’s lesson from him is this: Keep America strong militarily. Be sure that we are also the strongest nation in the world economically. But also, above everything else, remember that America must present to the whole world the image of a people concerned about the problems of the world because if poverty and misery and disease and tyranny exist we would be concerned even if there were no communism.
This is what we must convey, and this, through our religious faith, we will be able to convey much more effectively than simply through the actions of government or through what a President of the United States may be able to say.
And, so, in conclusion, I would add only this last thought: Many years have passed since the year 1928. Many memories have become less bitter through the years. Three weeks from today either Senator Kennedy or I will be the President-elect of this country, and then we will go our separate courses in the years to come. I’ve been trying to think how I could best close my remarks and refer to him and refer to me, and I go back to the campaign of 1928. Herbert Hoover was elected. Al Smith lost. But both of them lived many, many years longer, and both of them, the longer they lived, gained love and affection from the American people – and I would only hope tonight that, however, this election turns out, Senator Kennedy and I in the years ahead will be able to conduct ourselves with the dignity, the decency which earned the esteem and the love of the American people for the two men who were engaged in that great campaign of 1928

From these two speeches it is apparent that as Nixon himself noted Kennedy had the better Speech Writer, that His Father Joseph would not Pay for a Landslide is commented upon in the great book, Sins of the Father, He obviously did not see any merit in Skimping on the best Speech writers.

Watch Hilary Clintons Speech in Response to trumps, She was a very bad candidate, this exchange shows it and also the Shumer Banter was Telling. Take some time and watch the Dias as the Guests are introduced by the Master of Ceremonies, There you will see how the President of the United States is really Elected and Donald Trump was not that Choice, he had a very tough Room that night as the cat calling during his speech showed.

As Ray McGovern Says in the interview linked above, The choice was Plague or Cholera.

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The curious sensation of being called a Fascist for pointing out the rhetorical excesses in the MSM against Donald Trump?

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Angus Michael Mckenzie Roger, you need to work on your pat, you sound like a conspiracy theory version of the school therapist in south park, m’kay…

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Roger Lewis Angus you might like this Post I did on Conspiracy Theory Snobbery.
http://letthemconfectsweeterlies.blogspot.se/…/complots…

I am a Philosopher and a Poet , I am interested in Facts, Quite often Facts are hidden in plain view, we choose to see them or not.

And on Truth.
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Authentic Discourses on Decisions to Act.

A golden Rule in folklores Canon
holds what’s sauce for the goose is sauce for the Gander
do unto others that which to you would be done
thus applied in discussion, we should always avoid slander.

Leave at the first introduction
the habits of Authority and induction
When those listening seem deaf to what you tell
refrain if you please from poisoning the well

if your working hypothesis requires certitude
refrain from tailoring cloth that renders the emperor nude
If to your point, you wish others to allude
refrain from a hypocritical sneering attitude.

When your correspondent appeals to evidence
consider their sources, were they well meant?
In all matters, skepticism will serve you with equivalence
and always remember to mistrust the Government.
Roger Lewis 2017.
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Angus Michael Mckenzie I’m not saying that conspiracy theories are wrong, and I get that you are very aware of the bullshit that folk like the CIA do, I don’t like it much either. But, Roger, Presidents tacitly condoning fascism isn’t about the state it is about the population, a fascist state without a fascist population is one thing, but a fascist state with a fascist population, that is quiet a different thing all together….

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Roger Lewis Hi Andy, The US population is highly propagandised perhaps more so than any of the countries in the Washington Consensus. All of our countries including my adopted home here in Sweden has a degree of Propaganda beyond which I would like to see.
It is a
 long way from t6hose statements to claiming g that Fascism is wide spread even in the USA. I simply do not accept that either the US , The UK or Here in Sweden that Fascism is on the rise to any significant degree.
Here in Sweden the Sweden Democrats(SD) who are a Swedish version of the BNP, not UKIP and some of whose leaders have been caught out as full blown Nazis in the Past is actually leading the opinion polls ahead of our Elections for the Swedish Parliament next year. The rise of support for the SD is not because all of a sudden some dormant Fascist sympathies have awoken in the Swedish people it is that the Swedish Governments across the political divide have all fallen prey to Political correctness and also towing the EU line of Immigration, beyond the Social infrastructure supported by the Swedish local and central government system. Ordinary people have lived with the consequences and as the SD have been very vocal and largely correct about a failing of Central and local government services due to immigration outpacing the ability of Local and central government services, particularly housing to keep up.
The Problem in the UK and Sweden is partly national Government and partly EU policy.
In the US , NAFTA has been a very bad outcome for all but large Corporations and this is what Trumps supporters realise and Trump to his credit, withdrew from NAFTA and that part of his agenda has gone OK. I think Trump is also right about making sure that people emigrating or even seeking asylum from the MENA conflicts or other conflict zones do need to be properly documented and screened against Jihadi sympathise, that’s just common sense.
WIth respect to Charlottesville, it is also true that Agent Provocateurs have been deployed in protest movements, ( Occupy was heavily infiltrated by CIA/FBI, and there is no reason to suppose that BLM and other protest groups are free of infiltration now. Trump says these things which is not the Political thing to do but it does not make him Sympatico with White supremacists or Nazis or The KKK. Trump is clearly deeply flawed as a person but there is a huge degree of exaggeration regarding those flaws, Trump doesn´t get the same breaks as Obama and Clinton and Bush etc as quite simply he is not the Establishments Pick, Hilary was and for the Establishment Trumps policy on NAFTA alone runs contrary to the Establishments neo liberal and neo conservative agenda of the past 40 years. 
Trump’s foreign policy is terrible but since 1990 and the fall of the Berlin Wall etc that has been the default setting.
With respect to Fascist states, I would argue the US has been Fascist since 2001 when the Patriot act was passed, I also consider the EU to be a Fascist organisation, that is in the Definition of Roosevelt. I oppose fascism as an anarchist I reject the State full stop and feel Direct democracy is the best form of organisation for Political Economy.
Not all Neo conservatives or Indeed Neo Liberals are Fascists some are actually Libertarian Conservatives, I suspect Donald Trump borders on the Fascist but not Nazism, which is the German Brand of Fascism and which Franco in Spain was closer to than say Mussolini. But that’s all hair splitting. Populations are by and large ignored and irrelevant under either the US or most G20 systems, the direction of travel has been further away from democracy rather than towards it for the past 40 years but populations are In my view generally small c conservative with a broad small l liberal streak, most folk understand the benefit of and seek out more of a balance where they can, the present system makes leading a balanced life more and more difficult, Trump, it seems does not have the solutions, neither did Hilary and Mike Pence almost certainly doesn´t and would in my view be worse than Trump.
It is hard to see the possibility of Trump serving a second term, it would though be better for the US to get him to see out the 4 years he has been elected to, in 2020 if the Dems get their act together they should easily beat the Republicans on 2016 form they would likely lose again. WHy US liberal mionded folk do not turn their attention to sorting g out the Democrats and getting it to be a viable force to win the 2020 election is beyond me, is it really not so obvious that efforts would best be channelled into that?

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Angus Michael Mckenzie So you just assume that whoever you are talking to knows less than you?

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Angus Michael Mckenzie Okay, okay, I actually bothered reading through that scrawling, rambling of a mess… apart from the fact that my name isn’t Andy, You’re arguments and reasoning are actually quiet shocking. The idea that Fascism is on the rise because of an increase of immigrants and that this is just some objective fact – immigrants + existing population = Fascism – and that the way to undo this is to placate the static unthinking and unchanging population through policy is basically appeasement, we saw what happened with that last time… I assume you don’t thing that you are an immigrant and you don’t need vetting because you are in the white club and so can never be a muslamist… 

Generally speaking, as far as I can discern you seem to be more on the fascist side than anything else, bigging up border control, excusing fascist governments. 

Look, there isn’t a problem in the UK with immigration and I doubt that there is in Sweden either. However, in England – I ain’t got a clue about Sweden – there is definitely a problem with a widening gap between rich and poor and the poor in their state of impotence will get pulled into ideological scapegoating, I don’t deny that. I also know that the UK government policy with housing asylum seekers is that they are always placed in areas that are already in a state of social and economic degradation which again, is clearly going to push already disenfranchised people further towards the right.

That said, I also know a lot of people that come from these places and have been involved in anti fascist actions in areas with large immigrant and Asian populations and what is clear as day is that the fascists don’t come from area’s with lots of immigrants, they come from areas that are dominantly white and fuck poor. 

A good example of this is Bradford, where the EDL marchers got bused in from Oldham and most of the white residents from Bradford stood shoulder to shoulder with there Asian neighbors to fight them off.

I don’t need schooling on the differences between different Fascist regimes, but the fact that you can see any good coming out of the Trump administration does mean that you need schooling of a very different sort.

You say that you are anarchist, but I see no anarchist thinking in what you are saying, I guess there must be a form of Anarchism which believes in borders and protecting white populations from scary black people…

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Roger Lewis Angus, Starting with ad hominem and moving to a straw man, a un promising start. Perhaps if you read what I wrote and thought about that and then responded to that. What you have done is projected and responded to what you think I have written.
If you wish to have a polite discussion I am happy to do that but I have no intention of responding to your screed of un thinking bile.

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Angus Michael Mckenzie ” screed of un thinking bile” You can do better than that….

I did read what you said, not sure where the straw man is and criticising someone’s writing does not constitute an ad hominem argument. But frankly I didn’t know where to begin and yes, quiet a lot of what you said made me quiet furious, not projection, for example: 

You said: 
“WIth respect to Charlottesville, it is also true that Agent Provocateurs have been deployed in protest movements, ( Occupy was heavily infiltrated by CIA/FBI, and there is no reason to suppose that BLM and other protest groups are free of infiltration now. Trump says these things which is not the Political thing to do but it does not make him Sympatico with White supremacists or Nazis or The KKK.”

What the actual fuck? I really don’t know where to start with this bullshit, what has Agent Provocateurs got to do with Charlottesville and BLM and how could you possibly think that Trump hasn’t been courting the far right with all the bullshit over the Mexican population during the election? Literally dumb founded. 

Did I read what you said? 

You said this: ” The rise of support for the SD is not because all of a sudden some dormant Fascist sympathies have awoken in the Swedish people it is that the Swedish Governments across the political divide have all fallen prey to Political correctness and also towing the EU line of Immigration, beyond the Social infrastructure supported by the Swedish local and central government system. Ordinary people have lived with the consequences and as the SD have been very vocal and largely correct about a failing of Central and local government services due to immigration outpacing the ability of Local and central government services, particularly housing to keep up.”

I said this: “Look, there isn’t a problem in the UK with immigration and I doubt that there is in Sweden either. However, in England – I ain’t got a clue about Sweden – there is definitely a problem with a widening gap between rich and poor and the poor in their state of impotence will get pulled into ideological scapegoating, I don’t deny that. I also know that the UK government policy with housing asylum seekers is that they are always placed in areas that are already in a state of social and economic degradation which again, is clearly going to push already disenfranchised people further towards the right.”

Rather than latching on to aggravating philosophical terms – that, though having their uses, are abused a lot to avoid facing difficult problems when someone is faced with a limit point in their thinking – can you respond to my critic of your analysis that relies so heavily on the concept and assumption of the nation state and a population that has the right or natural inclination to become fascist when there are too many brown faces around? 

I would like to say more on your analysis of populations, your understanding that they actually exist outside of an analytical setting – at one point you seemed to attribute feelings to them, very strange – and your idea that they are of no concern to certain governments. I may do if I have the patience and think that Craigmight be enjoying this in some way…

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Roger Lewis Angus, what you call a critique is nothing of the sort, terms like what the actual fuck are meaningless.
I am simply not going to entertain your grandstanding and highly aggressive invective.
I believe the comments I have made speak for themselves and 
your interpretations are coloured by your own Egotistical needs.
Projecting your own strawmen arguments and attributing them to me by your childish ad hominem adds absolutely nothing.
The Narratives you are pushing are discredited and damaging to the interests of anyone that has democratic ideals.
I have nothing to add, have a nice evening.

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Social Conditioning

 

Related very closely to the concept of Groupthink is a process called Social Conditioning .  However, where Groupthink relates to cognitive issues in a small group, Social Conditioning is concerned more with broad social implications – typically nationwide.
Social conditioning is the sociological process of training individuals in a society to respond in a manner generally approved by the society in general and peer groups within society.
Manifestations of social conditioning are vast, but they are generally categorized as social patterns and social structures including nationalism, education, employment, entertainment, popular culture, religion, spirituality and family life. The social structure in which an individual finds him or herself influences and can determine their social actions and responses.

 

Helical Solar System Motion Through the Galaxy: Heretical Revelation or Well-known Fact? – Part 2

 

Summary of Part 1

So . . . . in a similar manner to my experience, we have someone (DjSadhu) discover a fact that:
  1. was never before shared with him in any form (school, documentaries, books, web sites, etc.), and
  2. was a revolutionary idea totally different from what he did learn, so he had to share his “aha” moment with others.
Unlike me (no video animation expertise) DjSadhu produces a slick video to show this newfound perspective, since he can’t find anything like it elsewhere.
What’s the response from the “interwebs”?    🙂

Critic/Instructor – Rhys Taylor

Here we have the rare individual who is both a scientist, critic and yet not above being an educator/instructor.  Mr. Smith and Mr. Plait could learn much from Mr. Taylor (post-doctorate in astrophysics).
Mr. Taylor wrote a few articles herehere and here.  What sets him off from Mr. Plait and Mr. Smith is two-fold:
  1. He understands that DjSadhu’s first couple of videos have scientific errors, yet the basicpremise of the solar system moving through space in a helical motion is for the most part correct.
  2. He takes a constructive win-win approach and works in a positive manner with DjSadhu to fix the errors in an attempt to produce a more accurate video than the original two.
The result?  A third video by DjSadhu that according to Mr. Taylor is “a million times better and has correct physics.”  Mr. Sadhu’s associated blog post to accompany that video is here.  Here’s that video:
Mr. Taylor actually carried on a critical yet positive conversation with Mr. Sadhu – the ultimate intent towards a more accurate model.  He even developed his own version of the helical motion to show DjSadhu the correct motion and inclination:
RhysNotVortex
Bruce Charlton, In PC no one is ever safe.

http://letthemconfectsweeterlies.blogspot.se/2017/06/professor-bruce-charlton-pc-playing-man.html

http://letthemconfectsweeterlies.blogspot.se/2017/04/timonism-calvanist-strain-in-neo.html

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Is anybody safe?
Under PC, whatever you do, whatever willing you show, status is contingent.
There is no safety even for members of the ruling elite in a system of Political Correctness; anyone at all is susceptible to denunciation for any reason or no reason at any time.
Since PC is a wave of moral ‘progress’ which leaves-behind all previous moral standards and behaviours – there can be no accumulation of moral capital.
This applies to the ultra-PC just as much as to the openly reactionary.
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(In this respect PC is more like communist than fascist totalitarianism: under fascism membership-of and courageous loyalty to the in-group usually brings safety from denunciation; but under communism anybody was vulnerable to denunciation – friends and enemies of the government alternated with bewildering rapidity: nobody was safe.)
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Indeed, the PC elite seem especially vulnerable to denunciation – since they are under continuous scrutiny; it is hard to keep-up with the pace of change, and the change is so arbitrary; it is very difficult to suppress common sense 24/7.
The highest member of the PC elite is only a single gaffe away from disaster.
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(Note: A ‘gaffe’ is when an elite PC intellectual momentarily forgets to lie.)
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Under political correctness, you are only as good as today’s match between your motivations and the ever-changing societal symbols of virtue.
PC assumes that (as an elite intellectual) your motivations are bad unless proven good – and motivations cannot be proven.
You may advertise your good motivations relentlessly – daily, hourly – but you cannot ever prove conclusively, against hostile skepticism, that you are deep-down and overall a fully PC (hence decent) person.
(Not least because it is very unlikely that you are a decent person – after all, who is?).
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All of this means that a politically correct social diktat can (from whatever cause – such as elite competition, the need for a scapegoat, or the whim of the media) arbitrarily decide at any time to stop giving you the benefit of the intrinsic doubt; and then you will be helpless, isolated, stripped of all moral status, a marked-man, a legitimate target of self-righteous aggression.
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Because, after all, you are guilty – everybody is.
And scapegoats are sometimes necessary: tough luck that it happened to be you.
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  • We must now take precautions to prevent you from being embarrassed by something in which the ignorant majority is at fault for lack of proper consideration, and so from supposing with them, that man has not been created truly good simply because he is able to do evil. … If you reconsider this matter carefully and force your mind to apply a more acute understanding to it, it will be revealed to you that man’s status is better and higher for the very reason for which it is thought to be inferior: it is on this choice between two ways, on this freedom to choose either alternative, that the glory of the rational mind is based, it is in this that the whole honor of our nature consists, it is from this that its dignity is derived.
  • Pelagius

    Pelagius (c. 390-418) was an Irish or British ascetic moralist, who became well known throughout the Roman Empire in Late Antiquity. He was declared a heretic by the Council of Carthage. His doctrine became known as Pelagianism.


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My aim is not to provide excuses for black behavior or to absolve blacks of personal responsibility. But when the new black conservatives accent black behavior and responsibility in such a way that the cultural realities of black people are ignored, they are playing a deceptive and dangerous intellectual game with the lives and fortunes of disadvantaged people. We indeed must criticize and condemn immoral acts of black people, but we must do so cognizant of the circumstances into which people are born and under which they live. By overlooking these circumstances, the new black conservatives fall into the trap of blaming black poor people for their predicament. It is imperative to steer a course between the Scylla of environmental determinism and the Charybdis of a blaming-the-victims perspective.
from Race Matters. Cornell West.
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And it continues more posts in which your Blogger is reduced to Scum, rascist and more deplorable epithets.?

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Roger Lewis Angus, you seem full of anger and a pathetic need for attention. I hope you have a nice weekend. Ad Hominem and strawmen are not a great conversation opener. It is clear to me that you have induced a great deal of meaning in what I have written which is absent anything that crossed my own mind and is certainly not present in anything, however incompetently scrawled upon the page, as it were.
Your unpleasantness and rudeness do not inspiire me to engage with you, I have no confidence that you have any wish for a dialogue.
Epictetus a constant inspiration I always find says this in his Enchiridion.

42. When any person harms you, or speaks badly of you, remember that he acts or speaks from a supposition of its being his duty. Now, it is not possible that he should follow what appears right to you, but what appears so to himself. Therefore, if he judges from a wrong appearance, he is the person hurt, since he too is the person deceived. For if anyone should suppose a true proposition to be false, the proposition is not hurt, but he who is deceived about it. Setting out, then, from these principles, you will meekly bear a person who reviles you, for you will say upon every occasion, “It seemed so to him.” 
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Angus Michael Mckenzie No I just fucking hate people with your point of view…. Happy being a philosopher and practicing anarchist – rather than your computer screen fantasy anarchism – and quiet happy also that this is all I will ever know of you.
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Angus Michael Mckenzie You know, like you talk all this crap about conspiracy theories but still think that asylum seekers are a problem… SCUM

Or, you know, thinking that assylum seekers have anything to do with terrorist attacks, when even if they are not false flags by our governments and their allies the perpetrators were born in the country and not migrants… SCUM 

And you hide you stupid fucking opinion behind philosophy, something that I have a deep respect for and hate seeing being abused by condescending fuckwits: SCUM

and yes I’m angry, any self respecting Anarchist is angry, what they don’t do is ramble on about how some of Trumps policies are okay because letting in too many Mexicans into a country with city names like Los Angeles is provoking Fascists (rather than national borders being themselves fascist) : SCUM

So, take you nice patronising bullshit fucking stupidity generating brain and go shove it up you rightwing asshole. 

I hope you choke to death this weekend.

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Angus Michael Mckenzie But, yeah definitely the whole obsession with conspiracies coupled with straight down the line immigrants provoke fascism and terrorism is about Immigrants and nothing to do with the context of neo-colonialism, or how the biggest funder of Salafi Islam and ISIS is in fact our (America and England’s) second biggest ally in the middle east, that … that was the cherry on the pie… SCUM
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Roger Lewis Angus, you need to calm down. If you stopped preaching and being all self rightous you might actually discover on which points those you attack actually agree with you on.
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Roger Lewis Simple question, if Trump is impeached and thrown out of office is Mike Pence really the result you wish for.
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Roger Lewis Second question why are the democratic party not looking to create a viable and electable team that can get the Bernie Saunders constituency mobilised against neoliberalism and the Neo-Con status quo of the past 40 years.
Facts rather than slogans speak at the end of the day, The Swedish Government published this report last year when they reversed their previously failing immigration policy. Put quite simply you can have to much of a good thing and Sweden found that cut off point. Happily, Swedes are pragmatists and I suspect that the positives of immigration regarding the Swedish demographic question of an ageing population will remain balanced against the reversal of the failing policies, throwing the baby out with the bath water does not make any sense.
you have made 3 further very angry and quite silly posts Angus, I have no wish to discuss anything with someone in the frame of mind which you project in your online public persona. I do not know you or anything about you all I have to go on are the unfounded slurs which you have thrown around in this thread of comments. Reviewing all the comments I am quite happy with what I have said your own conclusions are your own conclusions and imaginings.
Have a great weekend and do try not to be so angry.😁
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Angus Michael Mckenzie Don’t care, you basically said the Jews were responsible for Hitler. Don’t need to calm down having too much fun. and er, could I point out that the only reason I entered into this conversation is because I found you’re pat condescending and preachy… and I’m not being preachy, sticking up loads of conspiracy theory videos is preachy, I’m just getting annoyed at the white trash arguments you keep coming out with…
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“The Government’s management
of the current refugee
situation
Sweden has taken a large share of
the responsibility in the ongoing
global refugee crisis. In autumn
2015, when the EU Member States
were unable to deal with the
large number of asylum seekers
within the framework of the common
EU asylum system, the situation
became untenable, placing
a great strain on Swedish society.
The Government has therefore
taken temporary measures to substantially
reduce the number of
asylum seekers.”
Attachment missing above.
Have a great weekend, I have no intention of responding to your continued histrionics.

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Angus Michael Mckenzie Swedish State, nice Anarchist source there…. 

I’ll be less of a cunt okay (can I ad hominem myself?) 

There is clearly a European wide refugee crisis, or better called, imperial blow back, caused by all the fires that America and her allies are setting across the Globe; remember that Sweden was involved in the bombing of Libya. 

I, despite living in Europe, have little sympathy, as I think internationally and from an internationalist perspective, what is happening in Europe is not a crisis if you compare it to what is happening in the rest of the world, it is an inconvenience that the most privileged population are having to deal with because they made some pledge sixty years ago after some dick killed six million Jews and nobody gave them asylum… 

Nice pledge, but you can’t pretend to be nice whilst carrying on neo-colonial policies that lay the world to ruin, you get social cognitive dissonance on a massive scale, which is what all these entrenched white privileged populations are now facing. I’m afraid that you reap what you sow… I for one will continue to work with and welcome refugees in Europe, as I have been for the last ten years, they are generally more friendly, open and giving than Europeans anyway, and they talk frankly rather than hiding behind bullshit buzz words. 

Some reading: 

http://www.unhcr.org/576408cd7.pdf

Where you will see that Sweden has always had a control over asylum claims unlike, say, Pakistan, Iran, Lebanon or Turkey, where they come flying across the borders and in quantities far outweighing the asylum claims Sweden receives. For example: 
Turkey: 1.6 Million compared to Sweden: 169,500. 
and given that the top ten hosting countries are all considered to be developing countries, where the refugee population are having a huge effect on the countries finances, the issue’s in Sweden again pale into white people bitching about long cues for kebabs irrelevance…. 

https://www.icct.nl/…/Alex-P.-Schmid-Links-between…

“Migration control for the control of terrorism is a widely used instrument. However, it might hurt bona fide migrants and legal foreign residents more than mala fide terrorists. It fosters xenophobia and deprives host countries, where and when it has the effect of reducing migration and hospitality to foreigners, of the many positive contributions (some types of) migrants can make to a society. There is the additional danger that instruments of migration control for counter-terrorism are, further down the line, also used for controlling native citizens [this last point should set off some alarms in you as an anarchist no?].” p5

So I’m sorry, but I strongly disagree with you and as much as I might have been exaggerating, I was doing it in the name of clarity, as you seem to miss the point that Fascism is not something that lies dormant in a population, fascism is simple the logical conclusion of the Nation State, of all nation states. I don’t find it to be a particularly relevant marker to be honest as Colonialism and the Slave trade as precursors to Fascism hold most western countries in the same dark and sinister shadow of racial genocidal violence as any specifically fascist state, and the ‘war on terror’, has not only produced the refugee crisis that we are now seeing, but, as you so rightly – damn, it was near close to the only right thing you said – placed most European countries within the realms of fascism itself, without the population hailing back. Now the populations are hailing back, and as I said at the very beginning: A fascist government is one thing, but a fascist government with a fascist population is quiet another, and it is this latter problem that we have the most control over, we fight them on the streets and we don’t excuse them because they become fascist when there are too many brown faces in their neighborhood.

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Roger Lewis Angus, misrepresenting what I have said, and resorting to pure imaginings to set up straw men are not mere exaggerations, they are dishonest and have not clarified anything.
The Geo Politics of the American Empire are complex and appallingly corrupt. The US has been at war for most of its existence and is not something which I would ever defend, condone or simplify down to the work or whim of one Individual whether that be Trump, Obama or George Bush 1 or 2 or George Washington.
Paulo Freire said this,

“[T]he more radical the person is, the more fully he or she enters into reality so that, knowing it better, he or she can transform it. This individual is not afraid to confront, to listen, to see the world unveiled. This person is not afraid to meet the people or to enter into a dialogue with them. This person does not consider himself or herself the proprietor of history or of all people, or the liberator of the oppressed; but he or she does commit himself or herself, within history, to fight at their side.” 
― Paulo Freire, Pedagogy of the Oppressed

I do not consider myself the proprietor of history or of the nth degree of nuance in all of the dynamics of political economy, and so forth. 

Your deterministic conclusion that fascism is the logical conclusion of the nation state is quite a strong claim, how do you state that with such certainty?

I think your street fighting rhetoric is naive, your scenario is actually in my view falling into the trap of being divided and subsequently the rulers will then have won.

I am persuaded by Erica Chernoweths research that nonviolent civil resistance is the way to defeat the Fascism of the current Washington Consensus.Fascism.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erica_Chenoweth

The point about agent provocateurs is that in violent confrontations the state with its monopoly on violence ( if the devil has all the best tunes, the State has all the best weapons of violence), rule of law has to be by consent ultimately that is a logical conclusion which I believe is supported by evidence.

What Angus, do you believe the USA is fighting for with its constant wars? is it defending its freedoms, or is it defending the Dollar?
I believe that Petro dollar hegemony is the US oligarchies most pressing problem and that it is DOllar hegemony that has driven US foreign policy for the last 45 years since the NIXON SHOCK.

http://letthemconfectsweeterlies.blogspot.se/…/us…

You finish by making this claim about a fascist population? Most CItizens and subjects if asked would identify happily as Capitalists, most would not identify as Fascists and even fewer as Nazis. There are species of Fascism as there are species of Capitalism and I think you have quite a large task in proving a claim that Fascist Populations exist as a category.

http://letthemconfectsweeterlies.blogspot.se/…/the…

http://letthemconfectsweeterlies.blogspot.se/…/syria…

Angus, you say that I almost said one right thing? Most of what I believe may well be mistaken, what I can do and try hard to always do is to state my beliefs clearly and honestly and not tailored to the audience or individual to who my statements of belief are made.
If you and I agree with each other does not denote that we are Correct (Right) it merely denotes that we believe we agree with each other and that our belief is correct. The greater the generality of the claims we make and the extent to which we agree we both share the same opinion of that truth the more likely it is that we will be in error at least in some aspects of our common ground. When one gets to the point of setting out Ideology and dogma and setting down Manifestos we get into the realms of political opinion and here we encounter the best potential for being controlled by the Divide and rule strategies of the Oligarchy.
http://letthemconfectsweeterlies.blogspot.se/…/the-iron…

Some further questions, Can you have Internationalism without Nationalism?

http://letthemconfectsweeterlies.blogspot.se/2017/03/internationalism-vs-globalisation.html

Are Internationalism and Globalism the same thing?

Now for some Bakunin, Kropotkin, and Proudhon.

´´The Obedience of fools and the guidance of wise men ´´ Oscar Wilde. 

Emilio, Bakunin predicted that ;

”They [the Marxists] maintain that only a dictatorship—their dictatorship, of course—can create the will of the people, while our answer to this is: No dictatorship can have any other aim but that of self-perpetuation, and it can beget only slavery in the people tolerating it; freedom can be created only by freedom, that is, by a universal rebellion on the part of the people and free organization of the toiling masses from the bottom up.´´
—Mikhail Bakunin, Statism and Anarchism[36
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This is for me the nub of the matter something I have in common with Joseph Proudhon, explained by Peter Kropotkin in the Encyclopedia Britannica thus.
https://archive.org/…/Peter-Kropotkin-Anarchism…

”Now Proudhon advocated a society without government and
used the word Anarchy to describe it. Proudhon repudiated,
as is known, all schemes of Communism, according to which
mankind would be driven into communistic monasteries or
barracks, as also all the schemes of state or state-aided Socialism
which were advocated by Louis Blanc and the Collectivists. When
he proclaimed in his first memoir on property that ” Property
is theft,” he meant only property in its present, Roman-law,
sense of ” right of use and abuse ” ; in property-rights, on the other
hand, understood in the limited sense of possession, he saw the
best protection against the encroachments of the state. At the
same time, he did not want violently to dispossess the present
owners of land, dwelling-houses, mines, factories and so on. He
preferred to attain the same end by rendering capital incapable
of earning interest; and this he proposed to obtain by means of
a national bank, based on the mutual confidence of all those who
are engaged in production, who would agree to exchange among
themselves their produces at cost-value, by means of labour-cheques
Everyone representing the hours of labour required to produce
every given commodity. Under such a system, which Proudhon
described as ” Mutuellisme,” all the exchanges of services would be
strictly equivalent. Besides, such a bank would be enabled to
lend money without interest, levying only something like 1 %,
or even less, for covering the cost of admin everyone
being thus enabled to borrow the money that would be required
to buy a house, nobody would agree to pay any more a yearly
rent for the use of it. A general ” social liquidation ” would
thus be rendered easy, without violent expropriation. The same
applied to mines, railways, factories and so on. ”

More Here. http://letthemconfectsweeterlies.blogspot.se/…/neo… 

http://letthemconfectsweeterlies.blogspot.se/…/mutual…

I appreciate that this is a long post The Links to my Blog (letthemconfectsweeterlies) set out more fully the points which I make. Going back to Craigs original Post and the constant Trump Bashing it seems to me that Trump is a Punch and Judy Show, and the US presidency is a pantomime and has been since Kennedy was assassinated. Trump seems to have taken longer than Obama did to capitulate to the Ruling Oligarchy, the hysterical lapse into inaccurate and childish name calling led by the always compliant corporate media is ridiculous and Angus caring as much as you appear to do a polite suggestion that some fact checking might be in order will always get much further than “Exagerating for clarity’s sake”

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