An #admin question for members
I have always treated this as a closed members-only group – but do you think that things that you say in this Facebook members-only forum, are said ‘in public’ – in the same way that Twitter is an open platform and thus things said there, are said in public?”
I have always treated this as a closed members-only group – but do you think that things that you say in this Facebook members-only forum, are said ‘in public’ – in the same way that Twitter is an open platform and thus things said there, are said in public?”
Comments
Earl Bramley-Howard I could delete the group
Liam Kingdon Earl Bramley-Howard I think if you arr going to say something you should be able to stand by it. If that’s the case it doesn’t matter.
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Alex Burnham Ah, that’s an interesting context. I’m not GPEW, therefore never bound by such rules, and by implication a member of the public… In those terms, it’s my view this is indeed a public space.
But my view doesn’t count!
Alex Burnham There also nothing stopping someone “screen grabbing” or copy/paste text elsewhere. Though I think this is a closed page so not “public”, it is in fact open for anyone to join the page. (Not sure what qualifying questions are asked now, but technically anyone could sign up, lurk and report elsewhere on content in here)
Alex Burnham Yeah, but it’s not a technical control that actually prevents such behaviour, neither is it particularly enforceable save from using the ban hammer, by which time the deed is already done.
Jean Bartrum I havent been on here since to be honest
Alex Burnham Not seeming any posts, or just not commenting on them?
Andy Millward I’m not a Green Party member, nor will I ever be (nor any other party). I’m here because debate on issues with people of all persuasions is the only route to progress, and for that you need free and open fora. Ban trolls but not sensible people with a spectrum of opinions contributing to solutions.
Alex Burnham I’m the same, I don’t think I’d ever be willing to tow party line on specific issues (off hand can’t think of examples right now). I’d certainly never want to be bound by the thought that some authority could chastise me for statements I make elsewhere (about any political issue, not about what is said in here!)
Andy Millward Which does not prevent people joining who do not necessarily agree with the premise of the group, as encapsulated in its title.
Liam Kingdon Andy Millward Absolutely you are free to join, I don’t see that as a problem personally (although I’m not in charge of anything). I agree with what I think your sentiment is, that capitalist democracy is a fundamentally flawed system which needs to be …See More
Earl Bramley-Howard but members on the whole “support the Green Party for a better future” – whether or not they are actual members of the UK green party – and maybe a few members even came across this group before becoming members (I sure remember a load of people saying that during the ‘surge’)
Earl Bramley-Howard I’d suggest anything outside of the bedroom is “a bit public” – but what about those doing FB from their bedrooms lol
Earl Bramley-Howard Should the Green Party’s Code of Conduct – which specifically states that it is in effect when things are done or said “publicly” – be in force in this group – is a members-only group “publicly”?
Richard Jenking What do people want to say in such a large group of relative strangers that they don’t want other strangers to know they have said? There should be spaces to discuss issues in complete privacy, but I don’t think that space is here somehow. Anyone who wants to share won’t really care about group rules about not sharing.
Ryan Jones Sunny Thompson yep, I don’t have my work listed on Facebook but I do have colleagues as friends
Matthew Radford All ideas and opinions should be welcome as we move forward into a new age.There is nothing to be afraid of .I’m sure when we enter the political arena for real there will be serious problems! M
Vicky La Porte twitter is designed to speak to everyone, closed fb groups are intended to be for members only with privacy rules people are expected to respect. Sharing screen shots from FB groups is bad behaviour whilst sharing a twitter feed is encouraged….
Francesca Heather-Hayes I used to be a GPEW member but there is something about being in a political party that I find inhibiting, I don’t want to have to stick to a party line! I do admire several Green politicians and care passionately about the environment as well as about all kinds of justice on all levels. I’ve always thought of this group as private because it’s closed and I don’t think it should have to count as public for GPEW members, as those of us who are not members ourselves, are friends of Green. The final decision rests with you though Earl Bramley-Howard and what feels right to you.
Alex Burnham I get the feeling Earl is taking heat from elsewhere about the status of this “forum”. I don’t envy his position!
Liam Kingdon I find the “toe the party line” argument a bit weak. Look at the two major parties, who’s toeing the party line there? More or less no one, it seems. Other than civil disobedience, protest action etc. (which can be done through other groups), getting behind a party that most aligns with your values is the most powerful way to be heard as a population. We need to accept that at this moment in time, capitalist democracy is the system that governs us. That is, until we have the numbers, mass unionisation etc. to open a can of marxism on the bourgeoisie’s asses.
Andy Millward I think this group needs as much diversity of opinion as possible, not restricted to the here and now.
Liam Kingdon Andy Millward as do all groups! It’s the spice of life.
Deborah Fink Maybe keep it as it is – a closed group for Green supporters. If it becomes a Green Party group, it could be bound by Green Party restrictions, and people will use the group, as they have done before, to make complaints against each other.
Gavin Andrews My view is that things said in this gorup to other members could breach the code of conduct, but not bring the party into disrepute as the group isn’t public.
Anyone who copied something that wasn’t intended for public consumption out of this group or
the members forums and made it public could themselves be said to be bringing the party into disrepute by those actions.Any chance you could drop me an email with info about what this is about please earl?
Alex Burnham The fly in the ointment being folks like me that are not bound by GPEW rules at all.
Gavin Andrews ah yes, fair point.
The longer version of what I was saying would be…
The members forums are fully private and members should be able to speak freely within the code of conduct without being concerned about bringing the party into disrepute usually, though maybe holocaust denial or advocating for pedophile rights or similar might still manage to be viewed in that light.
Specifically members only forums on facebook should be viewed in virtually the same light, though there’s always likely to be a few non members in the groups.
This group is a bit of a half way house, not members only, but also not directly viewable by or shareable with the wider public unless they join the group.
Essentially there should be a reasonable expectation that thees groups should be conducted under something along the lines of Chatham House rules to allow members / officers / representatives to speak more freely without having to necessarily be pushing the party line in the same way as they’d be expected to in a public debate.
CHATHAMHOUSE.ORG
Mark Gibson As a red-green and member of other groups my wish is to contribute to the group with apt posts , generate conversation /thought / chuckles and pick up stuff I don’t see elsewhere . I applaud the generally civil ( British?) nature of the site & share posts ( not comments) that I feel will create interest in other groups . Isolation = stagnation so limiting this to less than what it is would be unfortunate .
Roger Lewis Its naive to think that there is such a thing as a closed group
Vault 7, and other public domain information that the NSA, GCHQ, NKVD and the FIve Eyes would rather be kept secret should be well understood to anyone engaged in and wishing to make an impact in any field of political discourse.
https://notthegrubstreetjournal.com/…/winston…/
Vault 7, and other public domain information that the NSA, GCHQ, NKVD and the FIve Eyes would rather be kept secret should be well understood to anyone engaged in and wishing to make an impact in any field of political discourse.
https://notthegrubstreetjournal.com/…/winston…/
In Group Bias is fostered in many Social media groups it is encouraged by propagandists as left unchallenged cult-like behaviours and intolerance to differing opinions grows. This is a feature of discourse in 2019 and is, in my opinion, to be regretted.
