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  20 hours ago, bluedaisy said:

For your information (make of it what you will)…

I’m taking part in large global, long term study which is looking into the effects of mobile phone radiation. This study is funded by various governments including the UK Department of Health, and in collaboration with various universities and the World Health Organization.

“COSMOS (“Cohort Study of Mobile Phone Use and Health”) is an international cohort study investigating the possible health effects of long-term use of mobile phones and other wireless technologies.”

“There is extensive public and scientific interest in the possibility that RF-EMF from mobile phones might increase the risk of disease, results until now are inconclusive.”

“Many studies have concluded that there is no convincing evidence to date that mobile phones are harmful to health. However, the widespread use of mobile phones is a relatively recent phenomenon and it is possible that adverse health effects could emerge after years of prolonged use. Furthermore, it has been difficult to assess exactly how much people used their phones (the COSMOS study is using improved method to assess mobile phone usage of participants).”

http://www.thecosmosproject.org/

As soon as you mention government funded, you are opening yourself up to what governments want you to know, and that’s not necessarily what you NEED to know.

The UK Department of Health; The World Health Organisation, and COSMOS, are all part of the disinformation network intended to keep you dumbed down. Dr. Davis talks for one hour to an audience in Australia just over four years ago, and shows clinical images that present evidence of 3G & 4G mobile phones which have caused medical conditions.

Dr. Davis is a professor of medicine, and an internationally recognised expert on radiation from mobile phones and other wireless devices:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwyDCHf5iCY

5G is a whole different beast to either of the previous. The wave form is directional through beam formation – columnated pulses – like a laser, unlike 3 &4G which is spread wide with a limited range. The basics can be watched here in a few minutes from Radwin5000 sales vid. NOTE: Before you watch this, mute the sound, and see if you can’t see something the voice-over, and background nicey-nicey music covers up.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=171&v=Sy41rlOzLIs

Some more info: http://www.theeventchronicle.com/uncategorized/can-new-5g-technology-smart-meters-used-weapons/

Smart meters. No so smart if you value privacy.

 

 

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  16 hours ago, Derek Reynolds said:

As soon as you mention government funded, you are opening yourself up to what governments want you to know, and that’s not necessarily what you NEED to know. The UK Department of Health; The World Health Organisation, and COSMOS, are all part of the disinformation network intended to keep you dumbed down …

That is an opinion.  It doesn’t follow that it is a true statement.  Do you have anything to back up your assertion that this partly-UK government funded study is not going to be impartial?  Because, based on what you’ve posted so far, you are happy to post items as “facts” that are clearly very biased.

 

  16 hours ago, Derek Reynolds said:

 … . Dr. Davis talks for one hour to an audience in Australia just over four years ago, and shows clinical images that present evidence of 3G & 4G mobile phones which have caused medical conditions.

Dr. Davis is a professor of medicine, and an internationally recognised expert on radiation from mobile phones and other wireless devices:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwyDCHf5iCY

Do you have the original paper?  Anything that *isn’t* a YouTube link?  I mean, it’s technically possible to find YouTube videos talking about “conspiracy theory nutters”, and as amusing as that is, that’s not a fact.

 

  16 hours ago, Derek Reynolds said:

 … 5G is a whole different beast to either of the previous. The wave form is directional through beam formation – columnated pulses – like a laser, unlike 3 &4G which is spread wide with a limited range. The basics can be watched here in a few minutes from Radwin5000 sales vid. NOTE: Before you watch this, mute the sound, and see if you can’t see something the voice-over, and background nicey-nicey music covers up.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=171&v=Sy41rlOzLIs

Some more info: http://www.theeventchronicle.com/uncategorized/can-new-5g-technology-smart-meters-used-weapons/

That website is laughable.  Again, it might as well be a YouTube video.  I especially liked this part of the linked article:

” This technology, when fully implemented, could intrude into people’s privacy by revealing their location to those who want to know where and when someone travels. In addition to tracking one’s movements, it has the potential for providing access to everything one does with cell phones, computers, or other electronic devices that are in our homes. “

Has Mr. Thomas been living under a rock?  Has he heard of a mobile phone?  The internet?  Big data systems?  Maybe he could ask Alexa.  Honestly, you need to provide some better links!

 

  16 hours ago, Derek Reynolds said:

 … Smart meters. No so smart if you value privacy. …

You do realise that your internet provider, phone provider or even Facebook knows plenty about you.

 

I apologise if you are a Troll, although I do enjoy a good trawl through conspiracy things when I get the chance.  Sadly work prevents me usually, but the post-Glaso lull is allowing me a dable.

 

At least your first bunch of links had a nice “sudo-science” feel about them.  This last lot is lacking in scientific, backable information (& is a decade out of date on the privacy angle!  Better check with Siri to see what she has to say about it all…)

 

 

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I’m on Vodafone with an iPhone 6 and WhatsApp/other internet searches etc all worked absolutely fine. Even managed to FaceTime some friends to try and find them after hours

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  16 hours ago, Derek Reynolds said:

As soon as you mention government funded, you are opening yourself up to what governments want you to know, and that’s not necessarily what you NEED to know.

The UK Department of Health; The World Health Organisation, and COSMOS, are all part of the disinformation network intended to keep you dumbed down. Dr. Davis talks for one hour to an audience in Australia just over four years ago, and shows clinical images that present evidence of 3G & 4G mobile phones which have caused medical conditions.

Dr. Davis is a professor of medicine, and an internationally recognised expert on radiation from mobile phones and other wireless devices:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwyDCHf5iCY

5G is a whole different beast to either of the previous. The wave form is directional through beam formation – columnated pulses – like a laser, unlike 3 &4G which is spread wide with a limited range. The basics can be watched here in a few minutes from Radwin5000 sales vid. NOTE: Before you watch this, mute the sound, and see if you can’t see something the voice-over, and background nicey-nicey music covers up.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=171&v=Sy41rlOzLIs

Some more info: http://www.theeventchronicle.com/uncategorized/can-new-5g-technology-smart-meters-used-weapons/

Smart meters. No so smart if you value privacy.

 

 

The point being that government has enough concerns to fund an expensive long term study, despite people saying it’s completely safe. It’s worth bearing in mind that there are hundreds of health concerns they are researching not just cancers. Due to my involvement in the study I remain cautious at this point ( especially cautious towards 5g as even 3g has yet to be proven safe).

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  16 hours ago, EasyUserName said:

That is an opinion.  It doesn’t follow that it is a true statement.  Do you have anything to back up your assertion that this partly-UK government funded study is not going to be impartial?  Because, based on what you’ve posted so far, you are happy to post items as “facts” that are clearly very biased.

 

Do you have the original paper?  Anything that *isn’t* a YouTube link?  I mean, it’s technically possible to find YouTube videos talking about “conspiracy theory nutters”, and as amusing as that is, that’s not a fact.

 

That website is laughable.  Again, it might as well be a YouTube video.  I especially liked this part of the linked article:

” This technology, when fully implemented, could intrude into people’s privacy by revealing their location to those who want to know where and when someone travels. In addition to tracking one’s movements, it has the potential for providing access to everything one does with cell phones, computers, or other electronic devices that are in our homes. “

Has Mr. Thomas been living under a rock?  Has he heard of a mobile phone?  The internet?  Big data systems?  Maybe he could ask Alexa.  Honestly, you need to provide some better links!

 

You do realise that your internet provider, phone provider or even Facebook knows plenty about you.

 

I apologise if you are a Troll, although I do enjoy a good trawl through conspiracy things when I get the chance.  Sadly work prevents me usually, but the post-Glaso lull is allowing me a dable.

 

At least your first bunch of links had a nice “sudo-science” feel about them.  This last lot is lacking in scientific, backable information (& is a decade out of date on the privacy angle!  Better check with Siri to see what she has to say about it all…)

 

 

Well, that sounds like a lot of opinions and bias. Papers? For a visual lecture? Ask the author.

Research as much as you like, but you will only believe what you want to believe in.

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  12 hours ago, Derek Reynolds said:

Research as much as you like, but you will only believe what you want to believe in.

This is the one statement on this thread where you can truly be seen as authoritative.

 

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https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/a-disconnect-between-cell-phone-fears-and-science/

That Devra Davis?

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This is perfect fodder for alarmists like Davis, who ignore the fact that virtually none of these “effects” have been reproduced in follow up studies. If you were expecting an objective review of the often confusing scientific data in this area, you should avoid this book.

Disconnect focuses almost exclusively on studies that support its alarmist conclusions while either ignoring or falsifying information about studies showing no harm. The quality of scientific studies varies greatly. Disconnect is highly selective and totally biased in discussing only studies that support its point of view, it rejects contrary studies accepted by the majority of mainstream scientists as the product of some vast conspiracy, and it completely misstates the findings of key studies that find no harm from cell phones. She interviewed only a relatively small group of dissident scientists who are outside of the mainstream. The book is completely lacking in objectivity.

 

That you think 5G works like a laser is just spectacular. Mate this is why you were told it was worth paying attention in school – this is basic basic stuff, it should be ringing HUGE alarm bells as much as if someone told you it was all a lie and you could run your car cheaply on weak gravy or vegemite at a slight BHP loss. The only difference is you know a shade more about cars

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Cell phones – school? How old do you think I am? The pocket calculator hadn’t been invented, and ball point pens were not allowed! But that never stopped me learning, and one thing that stands out is: it’s a waste of time teaching pigs to sing.

I haven’t had time to check out all the links you supplied as yet, but I did look at the cellular phones page of the American Cancer Society. I will be accused of ‘cherry picking’, but this statement stood out:

“It is not clear at this time that RF waves from cell phones cause harmful health effects in people, but studies now being done should give a clearer picture of the possible health effects in the future. Until then, there are several things that people who are concerned about RF waves can do to limit their exposure. ”

Further from WHO ref:

” While an increased risk of brain tumors is not established, the increasing use of mobile phones and the lack of data for mobile phone use over time periods longer than 15 years warrant further research of mobile phone use and brain cancer risk. In particular, with the recent popularity of mobile phone use among younger people, and therefore a potentially longer lifetime of exposure, WHO has promoted further research on this group. Several studies investigating potential health effects in children and adolescents are underway. ”

And from the EC:

” Conclusion The current database is inadequate for the purposes of the assessment of possible risks due to environmental exposure to RF, IF and ELF. ”

Some of these statements are 17yrs old, others 9. Lots happen in nine years. The connect between a laser and 5G EMF beams is valid – they seek, and pin-point their targets. There is clearly a lack of long term effects and data therefrom.

Someone accused me of being a Troll. That is their opinion, but having read elsewhere of the 5G coverage at Glastonbury I thought it might be received with some sort of interest. Instead I got a volley of verbal abuse and outright denial on all counts. Hence pigs and singing.

Have a healthy life. (At least, try).

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  16 hours ago, Derek Reynolds said:

As soon as you mention government funded, you are opening yourself up to what governments want you to know, and that’s not necessarily what you NEED to know.

you don’t understand the first thing about research, very obviously. :rolleyes:


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  4 hours ago, eFestivals said:

you don’t understand the first thing about research, very obviously. :rolleyes:

So this is what – guesswork?

From one of the links supplied by Frostypaw.

The American Society for Reproductive Medicine

Result(s)

The comparisons of mean sperm count, motility, viability, and normal morphology among four different cell phone user groups were statistically significant. Mean sperm motility, viability, and normal morphology were significantly different in cell phone user groups within two sperm count groups. The laboratory values of the above four sperm parameters decreased in all four cell phone user groups as the duration of daily exposure to cell phones increased.

Conclusion(s)

Use of cell phones decrease the semen quality in men by decreasing the sperm count, motility, viability, and normal morphology. The decrease in sperm parameters was dependent on the duration of daily exposure to cell phones and independent of the initial semen quality.

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You know, I was sceptical about this whole thing, but ever since the festival, I’ve felt terrible!

I just want to eat and sleep and weep all the time. My feet are really hurting and I think the radiation has fried my skin, some of it has gone brown, and some even went red. I really don’t trust 5G any more, do you think this is something to do with the Huweway stuff?

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  4 hours ago, Derek Reynolds said:

So this is what – guesswork?

guesswork was your comment that said “As soon as you mention government funded, you are opening yourself up to what governments want you to know

It makes clear that you don’t know the first thing about how research works.


The problem with deregulated bankers is that eventually they run out of other people’s money.
It’s never the right time for more nationalism.
The politics of identity and individualism is Thatcher’s gift to the unthinking left.
Inheritance is the engine of inequality.
Even multi-use plastic gets thrown away eventually. Avoid if you can.

eFestivals & eGigs support WaterAid’s work in 17 countries providing water, sanitation and hygiene education to some of the world’s poorest people.
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 You have reached the maximum number of posts you can make per day.
  3 hours ago, Roger G Lewis said:

 

#onlyTwoGenders #ConquestofDough

 

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The problem with deregulated bankers is that eventually they run out of other people’s money.
It’s never the right time for more nationalism.
The politics of identity and individualism is Thatcher’s gift to the unthinking left.
Inheritance is the engine of inequality.
Even multi-use plastic gets thrown away eventually. Avoid if you can.

eFestivals & eGigs support WaterAid’s work in 17 countries providing water, sanitation and hygiene education to some of the world’s poorest people.
http://www.wateraid.org.uk

 

  3 hours ago, eFestivals said:

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Just lock this topic or bin these goons off, they’re just going to be tiresome before long.

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Why are all these loons focused on Glastonbury? 5G is up in 6 cities in the UK including Edinburgh where I live and I have heard not a peep of this bullshit up here. Yet literally every story about Glastonbury has comments from these trolls.

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  4 hours ago, Derek Reynolds said:

So this is what – guesswork?

From one of the links supplied by Frostypaw.

The American Society for Reproductive Medicine

Result(s)

The comparisons of mean sperm count, motility, viability, and normal morphology among four different cell phone user groups were statistically significant. Mean sperm motility, viability, and normal morphology were significantly different in cell phone user groups within two sperm count groups. The laboratory values of the above four sperm parameters decreased in all four cell phone user groups as the duration of daily exposure to cell phones increased.

Conclusion(s)

Use of cell phones decrease the semen quality in men by decreasing the sperm count, motility, viability, and normal morphology. The decrease in sperm parameters was dependent on the duration of daily exposure to cell phones and independent of the initial semen quality.

I only provided one link buddy, rubbishing your source.

Can you state exactly where in my one link this was? AAAAH yes…. here it is.

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Men’s fertility
Davis devotes another chapter to the assertion that cell phone radiation affects male fertility. On page 140 she states:

“A report from researchers8 garnered headlines around the world, such as Cell Phones Lower Sperm Count.”

On page 141 she continues with:

“The Cleveland researchers referred to their results, in the customary voice of science, as preliminary, and duly called for more research.”

Despite this caution, she proceeds to tie together a handful of disparate sperm studies to back up her sensational claim that cell phones reduce male fertility.

She ignores the fact that all of the studies she cites have been criticized for poor methodology, and some have failed attempts at replication.9-10 In its 2009 assessment Health Effects of Exposure to EMF, the European SCENIHR5 (pages 32-33) had this to say:

“The authors reported8 that reduced sperm quality was associated with duration of daily exposure to mobile phones assessed by interview and with duration of use of mobile phones assessed by questionnaire. However, possible confounding due to lifestyle differences (associated with differences in the use of mobile phones) may have biased the results of both studies.”

Davis sums up her case with this bold claim on page 146:

“We must remember that we live in a world in which some continue to believe evolution itself is a sort of preliminary theory.”

Are you actually genuine, and if so why are you continuing to flop out the exact studies that you’ve just been informed are rubbish? Specifically picking ones that you think will invoke a strong emotional reaction in men, attempting to manipulate people rather than reason with?

Who actually thinks people who have to do that are “in the right”?

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  1 hour ago, mcshed said:

Why are all these loons focused on Glastonbury? 5G is up in 6 cities in the UK including Edinburgh where I live and I have heard not a peep of this bullshit up here. Yet literally every story about Glastonbury has comments from these trolls.

Twitter and Facebook. Some people are easily manipulated.

Social media interactions are designed to maximise the release of oxytocin and dopamine in the brain in order to create a strong positive emotional feedback loop.

https://medium.com/@whitneyvmorgan/how-social-media-is-killing-your-oxytocin-levels-and-keeping-you-from-being-your-happiest-self-89e327a375c3

These sort of people deserve sympathy as opposed to ridicule as they’re complete thickos.

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Some day this war is gonna end…..

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/health-fitness/body/wifi-internet-family-dangerous-health/

Telegraph from 2015.

Public Health is a serious question and EMF radiation and health issues is nothing new. Why would 5G be less harmful? if it is great , but experts in the field say the short wavelengths involved are more damaging.
That Glastonbury Festival would associate with Extinction rebellion #WrongKindofGreen and corporatism of the whole event suggests that the degree of propaganda infecting what used to be popular culture is deeply troubling.

http://www.wrongkindofgreen.org/the-group-of-ten/

 

Extinction Rebellion Globalists linked to 5G Rollout

Gail Marie Bradbrook : COMPASSIONATE REVOLUTION

Links to BROADBAND STAKEHOLDERS GROUP

The Broadband Stakeholder Group has published a report on ‘Lowering barriers to 5G deployment‘. It outlines the challenges and solutions to deploying new mobile infrastructure necessary to meet the UK Government’s ambition to be a 5G leader.

The report – ‘Lowering barriers to 5G deployment’ – is the outcome of a study by Analysys Mason researching barriers to 5G deployment from both industry and local authority perspectives in the UK, identifying key challenges faced during the deployment process. The report aims to assist the UK Government in delivering its ambition to be a 5G leader by identifying and proposing solutions to current and potential barriers to network deployment.

Legal barriers, deployment issues and challenges with stakeholder engagement all have the potential to delay the rollout of 5G. Taken together and against a general background of uncertainty regarding the business case for denser 5G networks, these could also ultimately limit the deployment of 5G infrastructure.

OTHER LINKS INCLUDE : Dept OF Culture, SKY, Talk Talk VODAPHONE , WIRELSS INFRASTRUCTURE GROUP

https://steemit.com/news/@francesleader/from-occupy-to-extinction-rebellion-exposing-the-common-purpose

 

 

  4 hours ago, stuartbert two hats said:

You know, I was sceptical about this whole thing, but ever since the festival, I’ve felt terrible!

I just want to eat and sleep and weep all the time. My feet are really hurting and I think the radiation has fried my skin, some of it has gone brown, and some even went red. I really don’t trust 5G any more, do you think this is something to do with the Huweway stuff?

Pah. Underappreciated comment!

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  1 hour ago, Roger G Lewis said:

Why would 5G be less harmful? if it is great , but experts in the field say the short wavelengths involved are more damaging.osing-the-common-purpose

But they don’t.

 

Just the ranting drunken incoherent loons that would have no platform other than a park bench if they didn’t have the internet to pretend to be proper.

 

Why can’t you tell the difference? Do you like to feel special and as if you’ve been clever enough to resolve a great secret?

Someone had spent a lot of money on shiny anti-5G flyers to try and make it look serious, still just full of scare nonsense and it cost me some festival time throwing them in the recycling.

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  1 hour ago, Roger G Lewis said:

Dr Graham Downing

Dr Graham Downing

Dr. Graham S. Downing is a consultant in Neuro-musculoskeletal & Functional Medicine. He graduated from King’s College London University where he trained in the clinical sciences and molecular biology and attended the Randall Institute as a research student whilst still under the Directorship of Dr Wilkins, Nobel prize winner for his co-discovery of DNA; and European Institute of Health and Medical Sciences, Surrey University where he received an MSc with a specialist area of research in psychoneuroimmunology in the clinical practice.

Dr. Downing was invited to read for a Ph.D at Oxford’s leading research institute, Sir William Dunn School of Pathology but decided on a clinical career instead. He is one of only two doctors in Europe that have received training at consultant level in diagnosis and treatment of internal medical disorders at the Texas Chiropractic College, USA; and advanced Wilderness medicine.

His specialist fields are neuro-musculoskeletal & functional Medicine (with a focus on fertility, endocrinology, infection and gastro-intestinal problems). He has produced science and clinical reports since February 1993 and medico-legal reports since April 2010 as an expert witness.

He is currently President and Director of Clinical Education for a European organisation that sets standards of clinical proficiency and trains healthcare providers, including medical doctors, chiropractors, osteopaths, physiotherapists, herbalists, homoeopaths, nutritionist, functional medicine doctors and other health disciplines to consultant level.

 

  1 hour ago, frostypaw said:

But they don’t.

 

Just the ranting drunken incoherent loons that would have no platform other than a park bench if they didn’t have the internet to pretend to be proper.

 

Why can’t you tell the difference? Do you like to feel special and as if you’ve been clever enough to resolve a great secret?

Someone had spent a lot of money on shiny anti-5G flyers to try and make it look serious, still just full of scare nonsense and it cost me some festival time throwing them in the recycling.

Don’t be a tool dismissing people whose opinion you disagree with as loons. Government ministers, scientists and researchers have all expressed serious concerns about 5G and the lack of testing of the biological effects of it on the population.

Brussel government, and Geneva and Vaud Switzerland have ALL halted 5G rollout over health concerns after power output from 5g exceeded their safety thresholds. Government ministers have said they would not let their citizens be used as guinea pigs.

Celine Fremault, Minister of the Government of the Brussels-Capital Region Responsible For Housing, Quality Of Life, Environment And Energy released the statement in an interview with L’Echo:“I cannot welcome such technology if the radiation standards, which must protect the citizen, are not respected, 5G or not. The people of Brussels are not guinea pigs whose health I can sell at a profit. We cannot leave anything to doubt.”
See https://www.worldhealth.net/news/brussels-first-major-city-halt-5g-due-health-effects/
Dutch MPs have also called for a halt to 5G until the WHO has done more testing..GroenLinks is urging the Lower House in the Dutch parliament for an independent investigation by the Health Council into 5G radiation. Laura Bromet, member of parliament: “We still don’t know about the dangers to public health. Little research has been done into the effects of 5G. We need to take people’s concerns seriously and investigate this. ”

Dismiss them all as conspiracy theorists if you wish, but I would argue you are being extremely foolhardy. France has banned all WIFI from nursery schools over health concerns, as radiation penetrates childs skulls more easily. Dismiss them as conspiracy theorists if you will.

There is no scientific consensus as to whether 5G is safe or not. It has NOT been proven beyond any doubt to be safe. Government funded research often gives the answers their customers want. Many non industry funded research papers link wireless radiation to biological effects on cells. See https://ehtrust.org/science/research-on-wireless-health-effects/ Thats why hundreds of scientists have called on the EU to halt 5G rollout until more H&S testing has been done into the biological effects.Industry, unsuprisingly does not recognise wireless radiation can cause biological damage.. imagine the law suits! Major insurers will not insurer wireless device manufacturers against being sued for health problems. Interesting… Many scientific peer reviewed reports have indicated biological and DNA changes as a result of wireless, NON ionising radiation. See the 5G Appeal site, and the AUVA report https://www.jrseco.com/major-austrian-insurer-auva-finds-effects-of-cell-phones-on-dna-eeg-and-human-proteins/ or the EU Reflex study https://www.jrseco.com/eu-reflex-study-shows-dna-damage-caused-by-radiation-from-wireless-devices-and-mobile-phones/

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  1 hour ago, The Nal said:

Twitter and Facebook. Some people are easily manipulated.

Social media interactions are designed to maximise the release of oxytocin and dopamine in the brain in order to create a strong positive emotional feedback loop.

https://medium.com/@whitneyvmorgan/how-social-media-is-killing-your-oxytocin-levels-and-keeping-you-from-being-your-happiest-self-89e327a375c3

These sort of people deserve sympathy as opposed to ridicule as they’re complete thickos.

There’s a big social media push for the public consultation on city centre pedestrianisation, the comments are all people complaining about potential traffic problems if this was Glastonbury related every 3rd person would be shouting about 5G.

 

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  1 hour ago, Roger G Lewis said:

Dr Graham Downing

Dr Graham Downing

Dr. Graham S. Downing is a consultant in Neuro-musculoskeletal & Functional Medicine. He graduated from King’s College London University where he trained in the clinical sciences and molecular biology and attended the Randall Institute as a research student whilst still under the Directorship of Dr Wilkins, Nobel prize winner for his co-discovery of DNA; and European Institute of Health and Medical Sciences, Surrey University where he received an MSc with a specialist area of research in psychoneuroimmunology in the clinical practice.

Dr. Downing was invited to read for a Ph.D at Oxford’s leading research institute, Sir William Dunn School of Pathology but decided on a clinical career instead. He is one of only two doctors in Europe that have received training at consultant level in diagnosis and treatment of internal medical disorders at the Texas Chiropractic College, USA; and advanced Wilderness medicine.

His specialist fields are neuro-musculoskeletal & functional Medicine (with a focus on fertility, endocrinology, infection and gastro-intestinal problems). He has produced science and clinical reports since February 1993 and medico-legal reports since April 2010 as an expert witness.

He is currently President and Director of Clinical Education for a European organisation that sets standards of clinical proficiency and trains healthcare providers, including medical doctors, chiropractors, osteopaths, physiotherapists, herbalists, homoeopaths, nutritionist, functional medicine doctors and other health disciplines to consultant level.

What is the point in this post, sorry?  It doesn’t seem to say anything other than a short bio.

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  1 hour ago, Roger G Lewis said:

Public Health is a serious question and EMF radiation and health issues is nothing new. Why would 5G be less harmful?

For the sake of argument, let’s say that 5g is the same harmful as other radio wave broadcasts.

Everyone has a mobile. Everywhere has wifi. Radio stations have been broadcasting for 100+ years.

There might be a negative effect, but as yet we’ve not been able to pinpoint an effect onto society.

There’s shit loads of other things humans do where we are able to easily pinpoint a negative effect onto society.

On the basis of that i’d say we need more radio wave broadcasts and (say) less holidays in Spain.

Where are you taking your holiday this year? :D


The problem with deregulated bankers is that eventually they run out of other people’s money.
It’s never the right time for more nationalism.
The politics of identity and individualism is Thatcher’s gift to the unthinking left.
Inheritance is the engine of inequality.
Even multi-use plastic gets thrown away eventually. Avoid if you can.

eFestivals & eGigs support WaterAid’s work in 17 countries providing water, sanitation and hygiene education to some of the world’s poorest people.
http://www.wateraid.org.uk

 

i think facebook is frying more people’s brains than mobiles are. 😀

/goes off to buy more shares in Alcan :P


The problem with deregulated bankers is that eventually they run out of other people’s money.
It’s never the right time for more nationalism.
The politics of identity and individualism is Thatcher’s gift to the unthinking left.
Inheritance is the engine of inequality.
Even multi-use plastic gets thrown away eventually. Avoid if you can.

eFestivals & eGigs support WaterAid’s work in 17 countries providing water, sanitation and hygiene education to some of the world’s poorest people.
http://www.wateraid.org.uk

 

I have served alcohol in bars for >20 years.

This year, for the first time ever at a festival I was asked for a receipt for a £90 round by a lady who worked for EE.

I looked perplexed as I couldn’t believe she was asking (and we were really busy) so she said “you know EE, 5G, one of “your” main sponsors”.

Right, I said. I can’t do you a receipt but you could use your phone to photograph the cocktail menu board with the appropriate number of fingers held up.

Then I told her I’m with Vodaphone, flicked her the Vees and moved in to the next customer who was giggling hard at the whole conversation.

Bless.

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Working at Glastonbury since 2008.

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  1 hour ago, darkcamel said:

Dont be a tool dismissing people whose opinion you disagree with as loons. Government ministers, scientists and researchers have all expressed serious concerns about 5G and the lack of testing of the biological effects of it on the population.

Brussel government, and Geneva and Vaud Switzerland have ALL halted 5G rollout over health concerns after power output from 5g exceeded their safety thresholds. Government ministers have said they would not let their citizens be used as guinea pigs. Dismiss them all as conspiracy theorists if you wish. France has banned all WIFI from nursery schools over health concerns, as radiation penetrates childs skulls more easily. Dismiss them as conspiracy theorists if you will.

There is no scientific consensus as to whether 5G is safe or not. It has NOT been proven beyond any doubt to be safe. Thats why hundreds of scientists have called on the EU to halt 5G rollout until more H&S testing has been done into the biological effects. Many scientific peer reviewed reports have indicated biological and DNA changes as a result of wireless radiation. See the 5G Appeal site, and the AUVA report or the EU Reflex study https://www.jrseco.com/eu-reflex-study-shows-dna-damage-caused-by-radiation-from-wireless-devices-and-mobile-phones/

A quick search to the REFLEX study shows the internet drowning in multiple copies of the same thing on various websites, mostly the same text.  Almost as though the internet has been spammed by it.

 

The study, from 2004, had this to say (according to this BBC article http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4113989.stm😞

 

The scientists behind the study, which has not been published in a journal, said more work was needed to see the actual effect of the phones on health.

But the UK National Radiological Protection Board said people should not be worried by the study’s findings.

A spokesman said the study had not shown the biological changes led to disease.

He added that even research looking at the effects of radiowaves on cells and DNA did not consistently find evidence of damage.

 

Not published?  No wonder you can’t find anything other than anti-5G text anywhere.  Funny they don’t seem to mention the above though.  Weird that.

Next…

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It is the background to a video of a talk given by Dr Graham Downing,
I find Downing a compelling expert lecturer. I do not agree with all of his conclusions for instance I am a programmer in the field of the internet of things? I acknowledge that IOT can be used for security state ends but can also be used for the Circular Economy and Distrbuted direct democracy aims ( my own field of endeavor, particularly on WEB 3 IPFS.)
I am not making any truth claims regarding 5 g or even about the bona-fides of Glastonbury as a much loved institution of the Liberal elites.
I do though think Dr Graham Downing has good intentions and some expertise on these matters as such I pay close attention to what he says, even in my own field IOT , where I have points of disagreement with him.

 

  1 hour ago, Roger G Lewis said:

It is the background to a video of a talk given by Dr Graham Downing,
I find Downing a compelling expert lecturer. I do not agree with all of his conclusions for instance I am a programmer in the field of the internet of things? I acknowledge that IOT can be used for security state ends but can also be used for the Circular Economy and Distrbuted direct democracy aims ( my own field of endeavor, particularly on WEB 3 IPFS.)
I am not making any truth claims regarding 5 g or even about the bona-fides of Glastonbury as a much loved institution of the Liberal elites.
I do though think Dr Graham Downing has good intentions and some expertise on these matters as such I pay close attention to what he says, even in my own field IOT , where I have points of disagreement with him.

Fair enough.  Does he have published research though, or something like that?  A lecture, although interesting, doesn’t allow for review of discussion.

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Hi Early User Name, I do not know if Dr Downing has published papers in this field he has I believe done so in his own clinical fields.
My own interests are limited as is my time to Web 3 development on IPFS and to Monetary reform research, ( Crypto Currencies, Web 3, And so forth , tend to come as a package) .
I live in Sweden , and here there is a much more empirical approach to public health and much of what has got under the low bar in the UK and USA even the EU does not get past the Swedish apparatus , Swedes love statistics and empirical data, it can be a real pain in the Ass but on questions of public house its difficult to fault it, even for an old Hippy Anarchist such as yours truly.

 

 

 

  59 minutes ago, Roger G Lewis said:

Hi Early User Name, I do not know if Dr Downing has published papers in this field he has I believe done so in his own clinical fields.
My own interests are limited as is my time to Web 3 development on IPFS and to Monetary reform research, ( Crypto Currencies, Web 3, And so forth , tend to come as a package) .
I live in Sweden , and here there is a much more empirical approach to public health and much of what has got under the low bar in the UK and USA even the EU does not get past the Swedish apparatus , Swedes love statistics and empirical data, it can be a real pain in the Ass but on questions of public house its difficult to fault it, even for an old Hippy Anarchist such as yours truly.

 

https://www.5gexposed.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/201519-recent-research-on-emf-and-health-risk-tenth-report-from-ssms-scientific-council-on-electromagnetic-fields-2015.pdf  same message.

 

  1 hour ago, darkcamel said:

Don’t be a tool dismissing people whose opinion you disagree with as loons.

I’m not.

I’m dismissing people who’ve based their opinion on absolute nonsense and who have demonstrated no understanding of the scientific method or how to do research as loons, and I’m providing you with extensive text that explains why as quoted above.

Attempting to pretend I’m doing something else entirely also shows how genuine and trustworthy this argument is.

Eg. You state “Dr Graham Downing” and his qualifications as if we should therefore listen to him.

He’s this same Dr Graham Downing who’s a lunatic anti-vax nut claiming it causes autism. Very much a quack

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Dr Graham Downing (consultant in Neuro-musculoskeletal & Functional Medicine, graduated from King’s College London University), interviewed by Richie Allen: vaccines trigger IL6 and IL17a, which is researched to produce an ASD phenotype. Flu vaccine given to pregnant women produces inflammatory reaction in the foetus. Then vaccines given to babies, cytokines…very detailed but in layman’s terms and explains ASD. Really interesting video, only 40 mins – worth watching:

https://t.co/gvbCKoWGUm

 

 

 

 

You’re trying to argue that power steering will give us cancer after claiming cars run on gravy and seatbelts are made from unicorn tears harvested by torturing them because this guy with a Dr before his name said so on his Podcast “Dr to the Stars”

And you’ve been told. But you’re carrying on – so why should we trust you?

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  45 minutes ago, Roger G Lewis said:

A general comment As in previous years, a number of studies had to be excluded from the evaluation due to poor quality and missing information. Most of the excluded studies provided no, or incomplete, dosimetric information, or failed to include sham-exposed controls. Without dosimetric information, any effects cannot be related to an exposure level and without a sham-exposed group it is not possible to attribute any effects to the actual EMF exposure. It is very unfortunate that investigators are not adhering to international standards concerning the reporting of their studies, and that journals often do not have an adequate peer-review system that corrects such omissions. There can also be a risk that doing bad quality studies and making people afraid may have some impact on their health and well-being and is another reason why only studies with high quality protocols should be funded, performed and published. Articles not taken into account in this report, due to insufficient scientific quality, are listed in an Appendix together with the reasons for their dismissal.

 

The Latest report
https://www.stralsakerhetsmyndigheten.se/contentassets/f34de8333acd4ac2b22a9b072d9b33f9/201809-recent-research-on-emf-and-health-risk

Web site of Swedish Metrological Society-

https://www.stralsakerhetsmyndigheten.se/en/publications/reports/radiation-protection/2018/201809/?_t_id=1B2M2Y8AsgTpgAmY7PhCfg%3d%3d&_t_q=EMF&_t_tags=language%3astandard%2csiteid%3a2b6b237a-3058-4c02-b612-7778e2139d30&_t_ip=78.69.176.146&_t_hit.id=SSM_Models_Pages_PublicationPage/_cbbe65da-3a02-4b03-8529-815da3d2b540_en&_t_hit.pos=1

 

For funny story on Metrology see Sheldrakes talk on the science delusion. it starts at 10 miutes its about Big G and not 5g, just to be clear.

 

4.1.4. Mitochondrial DNA Several parameters related to the stability of mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) were examined by Sun et al. (2017) in human-derived promyelocytic leukaemia (HL-60) cells. Cultures were exposed for 4 53 h/day for five consecutive days to 900 MHz, continuous wave, at 120 µW/cm2 power intensity corresponding to a calculated average SAR of 2.5 × 10−4 W/kg. Following the exposure, cells were collected after 30 min, 4 h or 24 h. The damage to mtDNA mediated through reactive oxygen species (ROS) formation, the effect on 8-hydroxy-2-dexoyguanosine (8-OHdG, a biomarker for oxidative damage), and on the mitochondrial synthesis of adenosine triphosphate (ATP) were measured. The results of three independent experiments indicated that ROS formation was increased at 30 min and 4 h (p < 0.05), but not at 24 h after RF exposure, while 8-OHdG levels were decreased for all the exposure durations investigated (p<0.05). Moreover, the mitochondrial transcription factor A, mtDNA polymerase gamma, mtDNA transcripts and mtDNA copy number was significantly decreased in exposed cells compared to sham exposed ones (p<0.05). In addition, a significant decrease in ATP levels was also detected in RF-exposed cells (p<0.05). Treatment of the cells with melatonin, a wellknown free radical scavenger, for 4 h before RF exposure was able to attenuate mitochondrial dysfunction as well as mtDNA damage. Overall, the results from this investigation suggest that RF exposure affects ROS production leading to mitochondrial dysfunctions. The results refer to a cancer cell line. It should be interesting to confirm these findings on healthy cells under several exposure conditions in terms of frequency, modulation and SAR values.

 

What has been observed? Overall, the epidemiological data show some weak indications for an association between prolonged and intensive use of a mobile phone and an increased incidence of gliomas (brain tumours) and acoustic neuromas (tumours on the acoustic nerve). In some cases these findings lack biological plausibility. Some studies showed for instance increased risks after a short period of use, which is not compatible with the long period of development of the tumours in question. In other studies an increase in the number of tumours was not observed with the highest exposure level, but only with lower ones. This is also in contrast to expectations. Furthermore, data on the incidence of the relevant tumours from the Netherlands and other countries worldwide do not provide support for a causal relationship. For meningiomas, pituitary tumours and parotid gland tumours, no indications for an association with mobile phone use have been observed. 85 The animal studies do not provide evidence for induction of tumours by exposure to radiofrequency electromagnetic fields. Such exposure may have a promoting effect on the development of tumours, but the indications for this are weak and have been observed in only one, very specific, animal model.

 

Is there reason to limit exposure? From the conclusions formulated above it follows that the value of any measures to reduce exposure is unclear. Nevertheless, the Committee would like to repeat its previous suggestion: apply the ALARA principle. This means that exposures should be As Low As Reasonably Achievable. There is, for instance, no need for any device to transmit with greater power or for a longer period of time than needed for an adequate connection. This is fully in line with the suggestions from the Health Council’s advisory report Prudent precaution. Is more research necessary? There is still very limited information on really long-term effects in humans. Some epidemiological studies have follow-up times of more than 13 years, but with generally few subjects in the highest exposure categories. The latency times for development of the relevant tumours are most likely longer. The Committee therefore considers it important to continue the ongoing cohort studies evaluating the health effects of mobile phone use, in order to provide more conclusive human evidence. The exposure characterization in all currently available studies is very poor. It is therefore very important that ongoing and future studies incorporate more accurate and objective assessment of RF exposure. This is even more important since personal exposure to RF continues to change due to evolving patterns of use and new mobile telecommunication devices. 5.2. The 2016 ANSES Recommendations on exposure to radiofrequency waves. Following a request by the Ministries of Health, Ecology and Consumer Affairs, ANSES conducted an expert assessment on the specific impact of radiofrequency waves on children. The conclusions of this assessment were published in July 2016. Recommendations of the Agency All of the potential health effects of radiofrequency waves, both carcinogenic and otherwise, were studied and their levels of proof classified using a method based on that used by the WHO’s International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC). The conclusions of the risk assessment published in 2013 do not show any proven health effects. Certain publications do however show a possible increase in the long-term risk of brain tumours for intensive users of mobile telephones.

 

Appendix of excluded studies.

Appendix: Studies excluded from analysis Articles were identified in relevant scientific literature data bases such as PubMed as well as in the specialized database EMF Portal. Further, reference lists of articles were screened for relevant papers. Several studies had to be excluded from further analysis as they did not fulfil quality criteria. In this Appendix, these studies5 are listed and the reasons for exclusion are indicated. The list is divided into cell studies, animal studies, human studies and epidemiological studies.

see at page 99.

 

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/bem.22165

This is one of the excluded papers, excluded from the swedish report becuase.
Roggeveen et al. (2015a), Roggeveen et al. (2015b) single-blind experiments, no within subject control of time-of-day (experiments were carried out between 9 am and 5 pm), no detailed dosimetric characterisation of exposure (use of a 3G smartphone with SAR information according to the manual: 0.69 W/kg), no clear sham exposure control condition (one of the four consecutive conditions always was a real exposure – “dialling” – condition). There is no information on the control of interference exposure system and recording device (EEG and “Radiation” were recorded simultaneously). Experiments were performed in a nonshielded room. EEG was recorded with shielded electrodes (no specification on how shielding of electrodes was achieved), no information on the reference for EEG recordings (linked mastoids or contralateral ear).

Abstract

By now, the neurophysiological effect of electromagnetic field (EMF) exposure and its underlying regulating mechanisms are not well manifested. In this study, we aimed to investigate whether acute long‐term evolution (LTE) EMF exposure could modulate brain functional connectivity using regional homogeneity (ReHo) method and seed‐based analysis on resting‐state functional magnetic resonance imaging (fMRI). We performed the LTE‐EMF exposure experiment and acquired the resting‐state brain activities before and after EMF exposure. Then we applied ReHo index to characterize the localized functional connectivity and seed‐based method to evaluate the inter‐regional functional connectivity. Statistical comparisons were conducted to identify the possible evidence of brain functional connectivity modulation induced by the acute LTE‐EMF exposure. We found that the acute LTE‐EMF exposure modulated localized intra‐regional connectivity (p < 0.05, AlphaSim corrected, voxel size ≥ 18) and inter‐regional connectivity in some brain regions (p < 0.05, AlphaSim corrected, voxel size ≥ 18). Our results may indicate that the approaches relying on network‐level inferences could provide deeper insight into the acute effect on human functional activity induced by LTE‐EMF exposure. Bioelectromagnetics. 40:42–51, 2019. © 2018 Wiley Periodicals, Inc.

 

Its obviously a massive field of study and one in which Bump+er stickers simply will not do, This is though by no means a settled question.

 

https://ehtrust.org/wp-content/uploads/Scientist-5G-appeal-2017.pdf

 

Scientists warn of potential serious health effects of 5G September 13, 2017 We the undersigned, more than 180 scientists and doctors from 35 countries, recommend a moratorium on the roll-out of the fifth generation, 5G, for telecommunication until potential hazards for human health and the environment have been fully investigated by scientists independent from industry. 5G will substantially increase exposure to radiofrequency electromagnetic fields (RF-EMF) on top of the 2G, 3G, 4G, Wi-Fi, etc. for telecommunications already in place. RF-EMF has been proven to be harmful for humans and the environment. (Note: Blue links below are references.)

 

Regarding the Conspiracy Theory Snobs. I give you Complots of Mischief.

https://notthegrubstreetjournal.com/2017/08/17/complots-of-mischief-charles-pidgen-conspiracy-snobbery/

Complots Of Mischief, Charles Pidgen. Conspiracy Snobbery.

 rogerglewis  Uncategorized  August 17, 2017 4 Minutes

Lance De Haven and Charles Pidgen, the next time some intellectual snob dis´s your suggestion that not all that people learn from History Books or NewsPapers is the truth, point them at these two gentlemen.

https://philpapers.org/archive/PIGCOM.pdf

Let us start with History. In the electronic edition of the Collected Works and Correspondence of David Hume39, the word ‘conspiracy’ occurs 191 times (a), the word  ‘conspiracies’, 45 times, the word ‘conspirators’, 70 times, ‘conspirator’, 12 times, ‘conspired’, twice, ‘conspire’, 11 times, ‘conspired’, 23 times, ‘conspird’ (a misspelling of ‘conspired’), twice, ‘conspiring’, 8 times, ‘plot’ 94 times, ‘plots’, 9 times, ‘plotted’ twice, and ‘ploter’ (a rather amusing variant of ‘plotter’), three times. Concentrating on the word ‘conspiracy’, about three come from editors or correspondents such as Lady Hervey, and about ten concern the crazy theory, hatched in the paranoid brain of Jean-Jacques Rousseau, that ‘d’Alembert, Horace Walpole, and [Hume had] entered into a Conspiracy against him to lead him into England, and ruin him, by settling him in a most commodious and agreeable Manner, and by doubling his Income’40. There are four casual uses of ‘conspiracy’ in the Essays and The Natural History of Religion, in which Hume alludes to a historical conspiracy before going on to make some other historical, sociological or philosophical point. For example: ‘That bloody debauchee [the Emperor Commodus] being murdered by a conspiracy suddenly formed between his wench and her gallant, who happened at that time to be Praetorian Praefect; these immediately deliberated about choosing a master to human kind ….’ 41 There are several occurrences of ‘conspiracy’ in Hume’s letters to his fellow historian, William Robertson, in which he discusses (on the basis of state papers, intercepted correspondence and the like) the complicity of Mary, Queen of Scots in various conspiracies against her husband, Lord Darnley, her cousin, Elizabeth I and her son, James VI: ‘I am afraid, that you, as well as myself, have drawn Mary’s character with too great softenings. She was undoubtedly a violent woman at all times. You will see in Murden proofs of the utmost rancour against her innocent, good-natured, dutiful son. She certainly disinherited him. What think you of a conspiracy for kidnapping him, and delivering him a prisoner to the King of Spain, never to recover his liberty till he should turn Catholic?’ 42 However, the vast bulk of the uses of ‘conspiracy’ occur in Hume’s six volume History of England, long regarded as a standard work And in most of these uses Hume is simply recounting in a matter-of –fact way the conspiracies he finds in his sources: ‘A secret conspiracy was entered into to perpetrate in one day a general massacre of the Normans, like that which had formerly been executed upon the Danes..’ (History, vol. 1, p. 195); ‘A conspiracy of his [that is, William II’s] own barons, which was detected at this time, appeared a 40 Greig ed. (1932b) The Letters of David Hume, vol. 2, Letter 358 to Suard, p. 103. 41 Hume David (1985) Essays, Moral Political and Literary, ed. Eugene F. Miller, Indianapolis, Liberty Fund, p. 483, ‘Of the Original Contract’. 42 Greig ed. (1932a) The Letters of David Hume, vol. 1, Letter 162 to Robertson, p. 229

 


 

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