Hi Clive,
As we have established before UBI is something we agree on as we also do regarding Post Growth.
If I can be of any assistance at all it is by suggesting that you would be better off talking with Justin Walker ( also a founder member of the Green Party)The Green New Dealers and The Modern Monetary Theory people are being exposed as pretty extreme Stalinist types, Clive.
This dialogue which you had is alarming although not surprising to me, Green Fascist/Stalinist ideology is more evident today than ever.
But I had a discussion with one of the founders before I left, which went as follows:
Me(Clive Lord): “You are proposing a recession, possibly deep, and possibly long term. Recessions produce hardship. What are your plans when people riot because of shortages”?
Founder Member( Of ecology Party of England and Wales): “We shall call it a steady state economy. But if necessary, Martial Law. You have just come 100 miles to agree with us, right? So do you agree that if we have to shoot a few people in the street to get through the transition, that will be rather less nasty than what will happen if we do nothing? If you have a better idea, you had better come up with it fast”.
Critical reflection on practice is a requirement of the relationship between theory and practice. Otherwise, theory becomes simply “blah, blah, blah, ” and practice, pure activism. Paulo Freire.
Physician Heal Thyself. Luke 4.23
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In 2013 you wrote extolling the universal basic income (UBI)
I invented it, not knowing It already existed.
I agree with your explanation of the social justice case for the UBI, but my reasons were very different. I thought of the idea on the way home from a traumatic evening in 1973 when I joined what became the Green Party.
I listened to the founder members explaining the MIT report Limits to Growth. The gist was that although economic growth had given us the modern world, it had to stop, before it trashed the ecosphere. I agreed with every word.
But I had a discussion with one of the founders before I left, which went as follows:
Me: You are proposing a recession, possibly deep, and possibly long term. Recessions produce hardship. What are your plans when people riot because of shortages?
Founder Member: We shall call it a steady…
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