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This seems like self-promotion of a person who isn’t notable. Move to remove page, perhaps submit as spam? —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 14:40, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Au contraire, unsigned, Mr. Nelson is quite notable to many of us as someone who almost invented the Web with his Project Xanadu in 1960, almost 30 years before Mr. Berners-Lee’s creation. Frappyjohn (talk) 05:09, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

Interesting that one can be notable for almost doing something. Gwhodgson (talk) 05:58, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

The idea that a wikipedia deletionist would actually claim that the inventor of hypertext is not notable is, to say the least, breathtaking. MarkBernstein (talk) 13:27, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

I tried wikifying, but its too interdependent. Its well done and readable, so wikifying would only be necessary for uniformity.

One thing I didn’t like about him is complaining about Tim Berners-Lee work. Sure, it may not be as good as what he has in mind, but Berners-Lee’s work is available now, unlike what he has in mind. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wk muriithi (talk • contribs) 02:43, 20 November 2005 UTC

I’m not sure I know what you mean. Would you like the article to have subsections? —TuukkaH 21:38, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
In terms of your commentary on his dislike of Tim Berners-Lee, there are legit reasons. I would cite them, but I don’t have the books around currently. In Weaving_the_WebTim Berners-Lee admits that he technically stole Literary Machines, and also (iirc) that he never read it all the way through. He also admits that he was overly simplifying the idea of Hypertext due to technical reasons, which Project_Xanadu successfully circumvented, and that he himself realizes that his designs were a kluge. I don’t have the book with me, but if you look Xanadu and Nelson, Theodore Holm in the index, you will come to the requisite pages. I would mention in the entry itself, but as I cannot cite it at the moment, my edits wouldn’t stand. I’d much appriciate if someone could find the exact bits for me and stick the info in, since I lack the physical copy. On a more personal note, I have played with the circa 1998 xanadu implementations (Udanax Green) and I have read the FeBe manual, and I prefer the as-implemented design of xu88 to the web. There ARE technical issues, but they are of a different nature; it’s a philosophy difference between solid design and rushed implementation, and rushed design and solid implementation. Also, several alternate implementations of the xanadu concepts have been built (not by XOC or any Nelson-affilated organizations), and these are often more stable than XOC’s own demos in my experience. [1] has some examples of such things, and there are others that I have personally worked on (so my statements may be a little biased). —John Ohno 12:13, 06 March 2008 (GMT)
(great post John Ohno!) – Even further: in 21 century, they (W3C, Tim Berners-Lee) tried, after realizing what mess they created, to fix things (web). In 2001. was “Semantic Web Working Symposium (SWWS, 2001)”, funded by NSF, DARPA, INRIA. Essentially idea was that web authors, after years of mess, broken links, no signatures… SHOULD “metatag” every page, every subject, every relations… it was “declaration of defeat: since natural language processing and AI techniques did not provide sufficient results, it is now proposed to put the burden on the shoulder of the authors of webpages who are expected to populate their pages with metadata and additional markup” OR since you miss to built in first place mechanisms of document versioning (like we have at wikipedia), document linking and NOT “copy – pasting”… now we try to fix all things that are broken in first place. [[2]]
Aftermath: John Giannandrea create Metaweb with (Danny Hillis and Robert Cook) manually (?) catalogue subjects, Google buy them and in 2012 make “Knowledge Graph”. [[3]] …and we still have broken links, no real references… as best of internet, we have: wikipedia (where we need MANUAL to fight to put “right” (?!?!) references… and hope that they will not vanish from internet tomorrow (bright side: thanks for web.archive.org and thanks for wikipedia!). but it’s sad, so sad… Calimero (talk) 18:35, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

citation for Ted’s 4 maxims[edit]

It says “[citation needed]” by the statement that <>; But I noticed that, according to http://www.ibiblio.org/pioneers/nelson.html [1] it gives a source for a very similar quote, in this remark about Ted Nelson: <>. It lists the source as a hyperlink (Wolf, 1995), pointing to “http://www.ibiblio.org/pioneers/references.html#wolf“, [1a] which says this:

 Wolf, G. "The Curse of Xanadu." , June 1995. Avaialble at:
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