Kurt Nimmo 2020 Prognostication.Don’t Give Up, “The Passion for freedom dieth not”.#TwoFingers2Brino #4Pamphleteers @GrubStreetJorno @wiki_ballot @financialeyes #IABATO #SAM #GE2019 Roger Lewis ( Porthos) @JoeBlob20

Don’t Give Up, “The Passion for freedom dieth not”.

December 28, 2019Kurt Nimmo https://kurtnimmo.blog/2019/12/28/2020-prognostication-and-the-end-of-this-blog/

2020 Prognostication and the End of this Blog

Below I enumerate the reasons we will be unable to effectuate meaningful political and social change in America and why I have decided this blog is pointless. 

1. The wars will continue. No political solution is possible. The people are now inured to war. It is not an issue for most Americans. The media does not report the cause and effect of war in a truthful manner. If the wars are to be fought by the invisible poor and the flag-draped coffins arriving at Dover airbase are not shown—to say nothing of videos and photos of uncounted innocents killed by the US government—then most people simply don’t care. They are not motivated to do much of anything about the situation. In this way, they are analogous to the citizens of Nazi Germany. 

Hi Kurt,

I feel your frustration. The Darkest Hour though they say is just before the Dawn.
I live in Sweden, down south , so not quite Dark all Day round but this part of winter is certainly the Worst part with minimal hours of daylight and the real snow and ice yet to hit.
Your numbers may be small reader wise but your influence as you note is leveraged through re-posts , a dialogue even though limited in what we perceive is I think much more widely influenced in the days of the Cloud this is literally true . As a Christian/Jew for Jesus, I think the power of prayer is even greater than the Digital Cloud and and a community at prayer is I also believe more than capable of moving the actions of mankind in positive directions.
John F Kennedy told the story of Leonidas at Thermopylae.

“For legend has it that after the bloody battle of Thermopylae, the victor Xerxes prepared to spread a purple cloak over the body of his vanquished enemy Leonidas, out of admiration for his valor. But as he was about to lower the cloak, a strange voice out of nowhere called out: “No. Take that cloak from me. I will accept no favor from the Persians.” And Xerxes knew that it was Leonidas, speaking to him from the other world. And he called out into space: “But thou art dead, Leonidas. Why hate the Persians even in death?” And, according to the legend, back came the stirring reply: “The passion for freedom dieth not.”


I am a welshman, a Brit and have lived in sweden for 10 years this April. I have not visited the States for over 20 Years but spent a fair amount of time travelling there in the early and Late 90’s, as a British Army Brat I have also had quite a lot of US forces kids as Friends, SHAPE, Upper Heyford,Ramstein etc. On the Whole we are greater than the sum of our parts and certainly much greater than the sum of the parts of the Tail that wags the Dog. I know a Generous and Pragmatic United States of America, an optimistic and confident , just United States of America. My Old Friend America seems to have fielded the wrong team abroad but the best Team, the first Team, the A team is still there amongst the Ranks of United States Citizens, those who Serve and Have served and those who have always been Civilians.

I am aware Kurt that this message will likely be screened by some algorithm somewhere and filed away , perhaps never to be read by human eyes. That’s the truth of the Mass surveillance state its a A machine learning by rote surveillance state and to call it an artificial intelligence is something of a misnomer.

Pelagius said this.

“We must now take precautions to prevent you from being embarrassed by something in which the ignorant majority is at fault for lack of proper consideration, and so from supposing with them, that man has not been created truly good simply because he is able to do evil. … If you reconsider this matter carefully and force your mind to apply a more acute understanding to it, it will be revealed to you that man’s status is better and higher for the very reason for which it is thought to be inferior: it is on this choice between two ways, on this freedom to choose either alternative, that the glory of the rational mind is based, it is in this that the whole honor of our nature consists, it is from this that its dignity is derived.”


The USA’s citizens will indignantly choose the right Path Kurt, I support President Trump I think he has actually delivered on many more promises than Obama or any of the Presidents since Kennedy even tried too. I really appreciate your writing Kurt, speaking for me it has made a difference to me sat in my Home in the Swedish Forest, so thank you.

Hypatias Eye Browser has a number of web 3 links in it Kurt, IPFS and Web 3 also P2P communication Beaker Browser and Skuttle butt are all tools which will get us out from under the Googleplex Fascist rote learning Machine.


Its not about the Cryptos Kurt its the P2P end to end encryption as with Bittorrents and Napster, look upon that information as our Silver Lining


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  1. Hi Roger,
    What do you make of this:

    “Tim Morgan left a very bad taste in my mouth some years ago.

    He watched the Crash Course which I produced, we emailed back and forth for a while, and then he produced an extended pamphlet/book that literally was the Crash Course in its design, but without any attribution. He lifted images, ideas, etc.

    Okay, imitation is sincere flattery and all that. I let it go and didn’t make much of a fuss.

    A few years later a book of his was coming out, I think it actually came out, and I was contacted by Dave Murphy (then a recent graduate of Charlie Hall) who was all in a bother about his own work having been lifted by Mr. Morgan and used without any attribution at all. My work too, as well as others.

    Dave led an effort to force a recall by the publisher, it was that serious of a breach.” ~ Chris Martenson, comment quote from Peak Oil Barrel


    I originally commented this on Tim’s blog, but to no response, not even an email.

    1. Ok, a response did come through, but one ostensibly incomplete, so I’m awaiting another as my subsequent comment awaits ‘moderation’.
      In the mean time, I’ve posted the results, including the one in moderation, on Peak Oil Barrel in the most recent Petroleum section (Dec 22. I think).

  2. Hi Caelan,
    I found the link and Tims response interesting. I had a good read at Peak Oil Barrel and I have also looked at many publications linked to by other people who participate in the comments section of Tims Blog.
    I am familiar with Martenson’s work and also Charles Hugh Smiths Work,
    On Martenson’s comment, I think Tim is right and he is being disingenuous. Dangerous Exponentials is an excellent report of its type and does Meet standards of academic citation.

    https://surplusenergyeconomics.files.wordpress.com/2018/05/tp0510_tpsi_report_005_lr1.pdf (30 times to be precise.)

    I have only skimmed Tims Book, Frankly, I find SEEDS an interesting index but as with so many “Experts” Tims expertise is very limited and most of his views beyond his own narrow field which was research into financial markets his views are actually very conformist/orthodox/mainstream. Tims work is also not Scientifically based the general level of scientific discourse on the Seeds Blog is very poor, the Oil industry-based sites are much better for science, due to a high number of Engineering and applied science specialists who have a much better grasp of physical sciences.
    Martenson’s views also fall into the same category as Tim’s and that is why Martenson is protecting what he sees as his turf, it is him protecting what he sees as his slice of the Pie, from a competitor he sees as a threat. There could also be a measure of Academic/publishing Jealousy too on Martenson’s part.

    Martenson I noticed is hosting a conference at which Mike Maloney is appearing. https://www.peakprosperity.com/seminar2020?utm_campaign=20200101_Peak_Conf_Email_12_General&utm_content=touchpoint_1_newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_source=zaius&__cf_chl_jschl_tk__=7391cb8465f6de6de6574fd9080dfbe6fed158eb-1577938548-0-AbVpqBVMkfaM-BofgxtwaEx5OUGPr7DeJsHNn6P1i2hwkv0pw67a06Dh0FFvHKtQSAhpqd_obOFS4II80uLIZzSnEXCPBUsbPkvmMEozOnRZH_r4Qds9OptNs_YsPZuw8wq_wyTW-4YIeujb3OYN4nuP9EziCEmqMxl2ICOszg3Ce9xrLr3PPLsQyumxFypwvKggO1Y3lTxMFv_LZMavjvgBsnb0fRBc0w3N3s7nCjVq3AJBqeMAwmRYoX2A7TuESMsftl9JpB8cRK54Nir0wAM0Gx8J_8gDpkFBwjQQUoFNc-kuxiR-pFiuGMJzrT68XWx04AWOXnObM3rqNUPVKDnah1h8oenMOC6Sw5JfBNogcXPCfH3enW7LXnDbotGbvoCPUoyHFYQ_Ce0aazx6fAvWP8Nb8iT0HFT9pnTWHAE9wi0or71DnF3PBmA5NkEs1A3rOrzsQhnNv3dfp-34uXGGH43Tm8NjZvBWhayZTnpv5_f3tM66WbA8fEVqUt5CMg

    It’s a business in which they are engaged. I like Maloney and I do not criticise the fact these guys are trying to make a living by sharing their takeaways from the information. It’s only a short step between doing what they are doing and becoming a priesthood selling indulgences though. It is clear from Tims own Blog and the comments in the Peak oil Barrel article/open thread that there is no shortage of Green/worriers seeking to pay indulgences and forming factions to virtue signal their own badges of absolution from whichever Priesthood they have chosen to follow.

    I did not comment on your comment but it did set me off on a train of thought of my own. https://notthegrubstreetjournal.com/2020/01/01/tribal-territorial-marking-when-the-ephors-meet-the-gatekeepers-who-argue-with-the-watchers-whose-shitting-on-whose-slice-of-the-pie/
    Even when I post without links at Tims blog my comments are often not published, every post I make there is actually moderated regardless of number of links or no links at all. I have been accused of promoting my own Blog etc, which is part of the same mentality that drives Martenson’s comments.

    So for me, this is something of a curate’s egg, But Tims demeanour and response marks him out for the Gentleman he undoubtedly is. Martenson’s comments are unworthy and also wrong-headed.

    That’s my 5 penneth worth, just one last point, if Tim is attracting flak from the US fringe gatekeepers it is likely that gatekeepers are policing his own thread, Seeds is a powerful tool and will be sidelined and derailed if it can not be co-opted in some way. Anything worthwhile gaining traction will suffer these attacks, as they are dangerous to vested interests ( Chomsky, the danger of a counter-example, however small). Will Tim try to beat em or join em? who knows, I have been disappointed with the direction of travel on Tims Blog for the past 9 months or so, but the work will prove influential I think, but not as much so as the work on Quanta by Wes Freeberg. Tim has shown little or no interest in Wes’s work which I think is a shame as they would enhance each other although Quanta stands on its own terms and Seeds ultimately fails without an energy-based unit of account, the adoption of an energy-based unit of account is inevitable for Seeds and needed for it ultimately to make scientific sense, I hope Tim does the hard yards to bring it up to snuff.


  3. raymonddeyoung
    on January 1, 2020 at 9:18 pm said:
    I checked the research report (available online). I concur with Tim that it adequately makes attribution to Chris Martenson’s work. In fact, if grading it as a term paper, it might mention Chris’s work a bit too often (not a criticism, just an observation). But its overall style is typical of research reports. It well presents and attributes Chris’s work for the reader.

    Maybe Chris was looking for an academic citation, or a link to his webpage? We’d never do that form of referencing in the research reports that I’ve helped to prepare. We kept that info “in house” as a way of maintaining our Q&E reputation (helping with “future business development).

    In contrast, the book “Life After Growth” does have academically-formatted endnotes. They cite, among others, Hall, Cleveland, Hirsch, and Murphy (i.e., Dave Murphy’s mentioned in endnote #10 on p. 72).

    I think that Tim did a superb job of getting the work of these academic researchers a much wider audience.

    on January 2, 2020 at 3:15 am said:
    Fair enough, Tim, at least with regard to the ‘extended pamphlet/book’ ‘research report’, but what about the other ostensible issue with Dave Murphy (and publisher) and with reference to Chris’ passage, ‘My work too, as well as others.’?

    on January 2, 2020 at 6:38 am said:
    Let me try to clarify this for you.

    The research report (2010) brought Chris’s work to a new audience. To the best of my knowledge (though I’m open to correction), this was the first time that the energy economics interpretation had been endorsed by any leading financial firm (I was Head of Research at Tullett Prebon at the time).

    The book, as first published (2013), did not include all of the footnotes and acknowledgements that are in it now. The reason for this was that I did not know what should be attributed to whom. When Charles Hall brought this to my attention, it was my decision to pull it, immediately, and reissue it after making changes discussed with him.

    If you look back to a blog article here in October, you’ll find this passage:

    “This idea [that the economy is an energy system] is by no means a new one and, though I’d prefer not to particularize, it’s been pioneered by some truly brilliant people. If those of us who base our interpretations on the energy-economics paradigm can see a long way into the future, it’s because we’re “standing on the shoulders of giants”.”

    on January 2, 2020 at 8:15 am said:
    Thanks for the elaboration, guys.
    It is hoped that Chris and others reading it may appreciate it as well.

    on January 2, 2020 at 8:58 am said:
    Thanks Caelan.

    I’ve always tried to be clear that we’re building on the foundations laid by some truly inspired people. I’ve no hesitation in describing EROI, in particular, as the critical insight into how the economy works – and, if we’re to crack the environment/economy conundrum, EROI will be the key piece of knowledge that enables us to do so.

    I would just add that, if I had a clear, agreed list of ‘who contributed what’, I’d be happy to include it here.

    on January 2, 2020 at 12:28 pm said:
    Tim: Not sure if this is a clear and agreed upon list of who did what when with regard to EROEI. But it’s current and does a nice review of the history.

    R. E. Melgar-Melgar & C. A.S. Hall (2020) Why ecological economics needs to return to its roots: The biophysical foundation of socio-economic systems. Ecological Economics, 169, March 2020, 106567.

    DOI: 10.1016/j.ecolecon.2019.106567


    on January 2, 2020 at 12:51 pm said:
    Thank you, extremely helpful, and to be recommended to anyone interested in the background to the study of the economy as an energy system.

    This is particularly helpful at this moment, as I’m putting together my Brief Guide, which might be a good place for acknowledgements.

    For present purposes, might it be a permissible simplification to say that ‘Charles Hall, building on the work of Howard Odum, developed and named the concept of EROI/EROEI’, adding that ‘notable contributors have included Cutler Cleveland and Dave Murphy’?

    I believe – though I’ve not found this in the document, as yet – that Euan Mearns created the “cliff chart” portrayal of EROI – am I right?

    Steven B Kurtz
    on January 2, 2020 at 1:08 pm said:

    Perhaps you could run this by Charlie Hall.


    “For present purposes, might it be a permissible simplification to say that ‘Charles Hall, building on the work of Howard Odum, developed and named the concept of EROI/EROEI’, adding that ‘notable contributors have included Cutler Cleveland and Dave Murphy’?

    I believe – though I’ve not found this in the document, as yet – that Euan Mearns created the “cliff chart” portrayal of EROI – am I right?”


    on January 2, 2020 at 1:21 pm said:
    Thanks, good idea. I was corresponding with Charlie just before Christmas.

    on January 2, 2020 at 1:27 pm said:
    Your comment is awaiting moderation.

    Full Story of the energy CLiff chart here in Euans own words.
    The Net Energy Cliff
    Many years ago during a late night blogging session on The Oil Drum, and following a post by Nate Hagens, I came up with a way of plotting ERoEI that for many provided an instantaneous understanding of its importance. The graph has become known as the net energy cliff, following nomenclature of Nate and others.


    Figure 1 The Net Energy Cliff shows how with declining ERoEI society must commit ever larger amounts of available energy to energy gathering activities. Below ERoEI = 5 to 7 such large numbers of people would be working for the energy industries that there would not be enough people left to fill all the other positions our current altruistic society offers.

    The graph plots net energy as a % of ERoEI and shows how energy for society (in blue) varies with ERoEI. In red is the balance being the energy used to gather energy.

  4. raymonddeyoung on January 2, 2020 at 12:28 pm said: In the past century, the global economy has experienced un- precedented growth largely due to the abundance of cheap fossil en- ergy. However, the obsession with GDP growth since the 1950s has led to unsustainable policies that are overwhelming the natural capacity of the planet to absorb its waste outputs. Max-Neef (1995) provided em- pirical evidence about the threshold hypothesis to explain that there is a limit where economic growth does not increase the quality of life and in fact it can decrease it. In the face of uneconomic growth, some are calling for economic degrowth by rethinking our consumption patterns and the need to downscale our economies (Kallis et al., 2012; D’Alisa et al., 2014). More Max Neef Here. https://www.democracynow.org/2010/11/26/chilean_economist_manfred_max_neef_on https://www.amazon.com/Economics-Unmasked-Power-Compassion-Common/dp/1900322706 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unidad_de_Fomento https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/6360154.pdf Exchange rates is one thing another is actually positive Interest Rates without Demurrage. The Work of Magrit Kennedy building on that of Helmuth Kreutz is really the last Taboo of Financialised conceptions of political Economy but a Stable Unit of account defined by a falsifiable measure is key. Positive Interest Rates are the greatest Driver of the Growth imperative, not Population Growth, The Elitist habit of always blaming the victim is every present in Woke Progressive PC circles. Drilling into debt is another piece of the evidential jigsaw that shows that Debt/Credit is a cause of problems and not a solution to them, the basic fault in their design is Positive Interest rate that is usury.

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